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« Reply #2355 on: November 03, 2024, 13:59:09 »

It feels as though the Coffeeshop disruption map's data sources are a bit overwhelmed and the actual situation is worse on the ground. Several of the hourly services from Bristol have been running 60 - 90 minutes late. GWR (Great Western Railway) advising at short notice earlier that there will be no Paddington to Bristol service after 18:00 but perhaps something will be found. This must make for a long day for everyone, staff who are working it included.

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You are correct - but then the intent has been to provide a Quick Look.   It doesn't handle line updates, and once a whole area is Red / Blue / Grey there's not much scope to add anyway.

Links such as http://www.firstgreatwestern.info//better/map.html?stn=CDQ will take you to the page for the station with the three letter code described, and links onwards from these will take you to many different trackers.  There'e also a map (below) if you go to that page and scroll down so you can click elsewhere to navigate around.

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« Reply #2356 on: November 03, 2024, 14:33:48 »

Thanks - love the map and also, your post a useful refresher on how much you've built in to that.

Now feeling sorry for the poor 12:38 from Swansea to Paddington - it managed to have both ends of its run cancelled, it ran only between Cardiff and Bristol.

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https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C63122/2024-11-03/detailed
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« Reply #2357 on: November 03, 2024, 15:18:43 »

Thanks - love the map and also, your post a useful refresher on how much you've built in to that.

Now feeling sorry for the poor 12:38 from Swansea to Paddington - it managed to have both ends of its run cancelled, it ran only between Cardiff and Bristol.

Mark

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C63122/2024-11-03/detailed

I feel sorry for anyone trying to travel between Paddington - Bristol/Cardiff/Swansea today. It seems absolutely chaotic.
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« Reply #2358 on: November 03, 2024, 15:59:52 »

I feel sorry for anyone trying to travel between Paddington - Bristol/Cardiff/Swansea today. It seems absolutely chaotic.

This is indeed fun ...  writing at 16:00 looking at  Bath Spa. The next Paddington train at 16:43 is cancelled and for London the offering is:

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17:40   London Paddington
Calling at: Reading (18:49), London Paddington (19:26) (GWR (Great Western Railway))
Last report: Between Port Talbot P'way and Bridgend (15:41)
Note: This train has 9 coaches This train is full and standing

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15:23 from Swansea, due Paddington today at 19:26 (would be 9 trains for an hourly service)
on a weekday it would be
15:23 from Swansea, due Paddington at 18:14 (7 trains for an hourly service)
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« Reply #2359 on: November 03, 2024, 17:18:44 »

I feel sorry for anyone trying to travel between Paddington - Bristol/Cardiff/Swansea today. It seems absolutely chaotic.

This is indeed fun ...  writing at 16:00 looking at  Bath Spa. The next Paddington train at 16:43 is cancelled and for London the offering is:

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17:40   London Paddington
Calling at: Reading (18:49), London Paddington (19:26) (GWR (Great Western Railway))
Last report: Between Port Talbot P'way and Bridgend (15:41)
Note: This train has 9 coaches This train is full and standing

It's ...
15:23 from Swansea, due Paddington today at 19:26 (would be 9 trains for an hourly service)
on a weekday it would be
15:23 from Swansea, due Paddington at 18:14 (7 trains for an hourly service)


1750, 1850,1905, 1950, 2050, 2205 Paddington-Bristol all cancelled.

Any idea what GWR are going to do in order to get their customers home to Bristol? (And beyond?)
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« Reply #2360 on: November 03, 2024, 17:50:08 »


1750, 1850,1905, 1950, 2050, 2205 Paddington-Bristol all cancelled.

Any idea what GWR (Great Western Railway) are going to do in order to get their customers home to Bristol? (And beyond?)

Paddington to Cardiff with a change at Worcestershire Pa ... oh no ... blocked west of Reading.    Take a train headed to the South West and change at Westbury (if it calls there) or Taunton if it doesn't?
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« Reply #2361 on: November 03, 2024, 18:39:21 »


1750, 1850,1905, 1950, 2050, 2205 Paddington-Bristol all cancelled.

Any idea what GWR (Great Western Railway) are going to do in order to get their customers home to Bristol? (And beyond?)

Paddington to Cardiff with a change at Worcestershire Pa ... oh no ... blocked west of Reading.    Take a train headed to the South West and change at Westbury (if it calls there) or Taunton if it doesn't?

I'm sure that'll work like a dream
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« Reply #2362 on: November 03, 2024, 20:09:26 »


1750, 1850,1905, 1950, 2050, 2205 Paddington-Bristol all cancelled.

Any idea what GWR (Great Western Railway) are going to do in order to get their customers home to Bristol? (And beyond?)

Paddington to Cardiff with a change at Worcestershire Pa ... oh no ... blocked west of Reading.    Take a train headed to the South West and change at Westbury (if it calls there) or Taunton if it doesn't?

I'm sure that'll work like a dream

Isn’t the 23:33 running?
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« Reply #2363 on: November 03, 2024, 22:54:02 »

Heard from my contact leaving the country. They took the train from Swansea to Reading that departed Bath 13:42, very full and standing on arrival at Bath, standing room only.

Then bumped into two ex-neighbours heading home, who'd been booked on to the 14:05 from Paddington. That was cancelled: they caught the 14:50 which left at 15:23 but did have seats for them, and did get them in a little before the last Sunday bus runs up the hill here.

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« Reply #2364 on: November 04, 2024, 21:35:41 »

Trowres Jr. was attending an event in London yesterday, planned months ago, so "do not travel" was not an option. Given that it was impossible to rely upon anything actually running on GWR (Great Western Railway), the decision was made to trek across Wiltshire to catch a SWR» (South Western Railway - about) service at Andover. ( Nice to have Salisbury totally blocked on the same day as Swindon-Didcot  Roll Eyes ).

Of course, Trowres Jr. needed picking up later in the day, so Trowres spent the intervening hours visiting the nearest significant National Trust location. Not bad, but not how I had intended to spend the day. 108 extra car miles.

SWR managed to run the required trains... just about. I noted several later trains to/from Andover in the evening were cancelled.

Quite amazing how this sort of disruption has become normalised / not newsworthy.

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« Reply #2365 on: November 04, 2024, 21:51:50 »


... so Trowres spent the intervening hours visiting the nearest significant National Trust location.


Stratfield Saye, possibly?

Err, no: that's not National Trust.  Sorry.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #2366 on: November 04, 2024, 22:02:14 »

Mottisfont.

Hope I don't start any arguments about "significance".

Needed to find somewhere to spend six hours on a very grey November day.
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« Reply #2367 on: November 05, 2024, 06:56:05 »



Quite amazing how this sort of disruption has become normalised / not newsworthy.




"Mark Hopwood, our MD, is clear that the current situation is unsustainable" - Given this, I am sure we will notice a step change very soon!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #2368 on: November 05, 2024, 07:31:22 »


Quite amazing how this sort of disruption has become normalised / not newsworthy.


"Mark Hopwood, our MD, is clear that the current situation is unsustainable" - Given this, I am sure we will notice a step change very soon!  Roll Eyes

News is about what is not the norm.  The norm is now a service that does not run run to the timetable and it is not news (*)

"Save the Train" has - yes - it still applies - four stages

1. Make people who can do something aware and acknowledge there is a matter that needs to be dealt with
2. Get it worked out what needs doing and how it should / will be done
3. Get it done
4. Monitor  it, promote it, tune it, make sure it remains done and keep at having it stay done

Lots of overlapping matters but let's try "Is our public transport network fit for future purpose and use?".

In general across the UK (United Kingdom) passenger train and bus network, we are at stage 1 indeed getting it well through it as most people acknowledge there's an issue. Some people are working on stage 2. We have a long way to go but we're getting to a point where it's becoming common knowledge that something must be done.

"Save the Train" was/is to work out what's an appropriate train service through Melksham.  There is an activity flow that's tuning it to a clockface hourly service ... with a shorter term action to tune it to providing the current timetabled service and isn't just a hopeful timetable. It's at stage 4.

(*) - but yet this forum has been getting busier with news talk all year - at a time when it should be fading into history with modern social media of a new generation of system it is not ...

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« Reply #2369 on: November 05, 2024, 12:19:06 »

"Save the Train" has - yes - it still applies - four stages

1. Make people who can do something aware and acknowledge there is a matter that needs to be dealt with

In fairness, we’ve been barely made stage 1 and haven’t done so for decades.  The people who can do something are aware…… they just turn a blind eye and ignore the issue, issues that have been staring them straight in the face for the past couple of decades.
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