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Author Topic: Problems with the Night Riviera sleeper - December 2014 onwards  (Read 185128 times)
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« Reply #720 on: November 20, 2019, 07:38:31 am »

Down Sleeper has failed to appear at Redruth this morning after being reported 10 mins late at Par

The station staff have no idea what has happened.

The following Cross Country is on time, so it canít be blocking the line
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« Reply #721 on: November 20, 2019, 07:45:29 am »

Correction: just showed up unannounced at 07:45
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« Reply #722 on: November 20, 2019, 08:52:58 pm »

Sadly, I don't see it making much difference.

It needs a Settle-Carlisle like campaign, to encourage use as much as put pressure on politicians. Mind you, I have to confess that the only time I have ever used the Night Riviera was when I commuted in the 1980s and knew that a set-down only stop at Reading meant in reality an extra late train (as evidently did quite a few others!). A friend though who regularly visits the Scillies is a regular.
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« Reply #723 on: November 20, 2019, 11:13:34 pm »

Could they not just get some more reliable locos?
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« Reply #724 on: November 21, 2019, 12:30:08 am »

Any further investment in the Night Riviera Sleeper is, I suspect, dependant on what happens with the Greater Western franchise.

There may be a direct award for GWR in the first half of 2020. But if GWR and HMG don't reach agreement then we could be looking at a proper franchise competition, which is long overdue. That's if you (and the powers that be) still believe in the existing franchise model.

Of course the potential spanner in the works is the political landscape. How Parliament looks when we all wake up on December 13th will inform the future for rail transport.

My personal preference, regardless of who runs the railways from 2020 and beyond, is for the Sleeper services to and from the South West to be operated by Mk5 SLEPs from CAF, hauled by Class 68s, which can run on both electric and diesel.

The Mk5 SLEPs are now in service on the Caledonian Sleeper franchise. So the Night Riviera can benefit from avoiding the bugs and foibles of introducing new stock. Class 68s have also been around for a while now, hauling Mk5a day carriages for Transpennine Express.

Better all round, I think, for the Night Riviera to go down the route of Class 68s and Mk5s than further life extend the Class 57s and Mk3s.

Ultimately though money and politics talk. The South West of England, unlike Scotland, doesn't have a devolved administration that can finance (aka subsidise) an overnight train service to and from that London. So, for the South West of England, what the DfT (and Treasury) say will hold sway.
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« Reply #725 on: November 21, 2019, 07:26:24 am »

20/11/19.....

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23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55
20/11/19 23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55 will be terminated at Newton Abbot.
It will no longer call at Plymouth, Liskeard, Bodmin Parkway, Lostwithiel, Par, St Austell, Truro, Redruth, Camborne, Hayle, St Erth and Penzance.
This is due to slippery rails.

Failed to crest Dainton and set back to Newton Abbot, where pax were transferred to 2-car 2C41 (0628 Exeter St Davids to Par)

Edit to clarify date of the incident - Grahame
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« Reply #726 on: November 21, 2019, 10:56:27 am »

or as RTT succinctly puts it
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This service was cancelled between Newton Abbot and Penzance due to it being Autumn (TT)
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« Reply #727 on: November 21, 2019, 11:11:38 am »

or as RTT succinctly puts it
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This service was cancelled between Newton Abbot and Penzance due to it being Autumn (TT)

Strange to say, that is the official "cause" - or at least a very short version of it. In full, code TT is:
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Autumn-attribution Neutral Zone delays (See Supplementary Autumn Attribution Guidance)

So we'd not have been much the wiser if it said that.

"Neutral zones" are places where some time loss due to leaf problems is accepted as inevitable, and NR and the TOC agree on a certain amount that is taken out of delay attribution (i.e. neutralised). Either party can still be held accountable for excessive time loss. However, he current process is meant to avoid fruitless bickering over delays - to quote the DAPR:
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The principles of this common attribution process are based on reasonableness and pragmatism. The procedures and the guidance, if applied in the right spirit, have the potential to reduce TRUST incident disputes during each Autumn.
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« Reply #728 on: December 04, 2019, 06:04:09 pm »

The DRS 57 306 was back on the Down sleeper this morning.

Have to say being transferred from my berth to a 2 car DMU in the very early hours would ensure I never, ever trusted the sleeper again. And thatís sad.

Something has to change.
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« Reply #729 on: December 04, 2019, 06:23:30 pm »

Occasionally bad things happen ( i must say never to me) but mostly its very good and I use it a lot.
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