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« Reply #1440 on: March 01, 2019, 08:20:23 pm »

No offence here, just confirming I hadnít confused things for readers.  Taking the buffets out was nothing to do with me 😀

Trouble is it's now been sowed into Broadgage's mind!  Wink
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« Reply #1441 on: March 01, 2019, 09:07:19 pm »

Getting back to the cycle/large luggage space: I've yet to take my bike on an IET but I've heard various calamitous (okay, maybe merely inconvenient) tales from friends who have. Several have found they couldn't get booked bikes into the cycle spaces because they were already occupied by unbooked bikes Ė this is probably the biggest single problem. One found his bike's 50mm tyres were too wide to fit in the hook, another found his quite unexceptional and medium-sized bike was too long to fit between ceiling and floor. Pushchairs might be legitimate occupiers of these spaces, but they're often also occupied by standard suitcases, cleaners' bin bags or a refreshment trolley. And someone who found his reserved space on a 5+5 occupied remembered hearing there might be other spaces elsewhere; he asked the conductor, who came back later and directed him to a space that apparently wasn't supposed to exist(??) in the other section.
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« Reply #1442 on: March 01, 2019, 09:37:58 pm »

The trolley has its own space (with lock and electrical supply) in coach B (5-car) or F (9-car) so should never be in the bike/luggage stowage areas for any length of time and certainly not unattended.

There are a possible 4 spaces on a 5-car set (two each in coaches B and D) and 10 on a 9-car set (two in coaches B, F, and J and four in K) though they are shared between bikes and luggage/buggies, so not all will be in use or reservable.  The TM can then, in theory at least, distribute everything as circumstances dictate.  The TM also has the authority to authorise bikes to be in the vestibule areas if circumstances dictate, but usually only if supervised.
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« Reply #1443 on: March 01, 2019, 11:01:04 pm »

No offence here, just confirming I hadnít confused things for readers.  Taking the buffets out was nothing to do with me 😀

Trouble is it's now been sowed into Broadgage's mind!  Wink

There are no buffets to be taken out.
A respected member suggested that the KITCHENS should be removed from some of the 5 car sets.
I argued against this suggestion due to likelihood of "no kitchen" units then ending up on Pullman services.
Others suggested that 9 car sets would be more sensible for Pullmans.
I pointed out that the present plan is said to be primarily 5 car units to Cornwall.

Considerable doubts still exist in my mind as to the suitability of 5 car DMUs for long distance services.

It was a failure on cross country, so lets order another load of short DMUs for long distance service previously worked by proper trains.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1444 on: March 03, 2019, 10:45:32 am »

This will be a very unpleasant experience today for anyone boarding East of the Tamar;

17:18 Penzance to London Paddington due 00:22


Facilities on the 17:18 Penzance to London Paddington due 00:22.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 9.
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« Reply #1445 on: March 03, 2019, 12:17:49 pm »

This will be a very unpleasant experience today for anyone boarding East of the Tamar;

17:18 Penzance to London Paddington due 00:22


Facilities on the 17:18 Penzance to London Paddington due 00:22.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 9.

Genuine surprise ... just how many people will plan their travelling so late that they're into Paddington after the last tube has left?
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« Reply #1446 on: March 03, 2019, 12:24:20 pm »

Yes, it's a few hours later than when the majority of people travel, so I wouldn't expect it to be too bad.  Had it been the 13:18, 14:18 or 15:18 (example times, that may not exist!) then maybe.
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« Reply #1447 on: March 03, 2019, 12:29:56 pm »

But remember there is a blockade on at present, and we have a reduced number of trains during it, so the ones that are running are quite 'comfy' at present.... Tongue
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« Reply #1448 on: March 03, 2019, 12:57:58 pm »

Yes, I see the previous one is at 15:00 and prior to that 11:00 (both HSTs), so they would have been a bit of a nightmare had they been a 5-car IET.  But it's also one of the quietest times of the year for Sunday travel and my experience of anything arriving at Paddington after midnight from the west is that they're very quiet.
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« Reply #1449 on: March 03, 2019, 01:52:12 pm »

This will be a very unpleasant experience today for anyone boarding East of the Tamar;

17:18 Penzance to London Paddington due 00:22


Facilities on the 17:18 Penzance to London Paddington due 00:22.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 9.

Genuine surprise ... just how many people will plan their travelling so late that they're into Paddington after the last tube has left?
I know someone who weekly commuted from the West Country and would be a user of this train. Using that, affords one the maximum weekend at home without recourse to the sleeper. He told me there were still taxis even if the tube had stopped running.
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« Reply #1450 on: March 03, 2019, 04:05:10 pm »

This will be a very unpleasant experience today for anyone boarding East of the Tamar;

17:18 Penzance to London Paddington due 00:22


Facilities on the 17:18 Penzance to London Paddington due 00:22.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 9.

Genuine surprise ... just how many people will plan their travelling so late that they're into Paddington after the last tube has left?
I know someone who weekly commuted from the West Country and would be a user of this train. Using that, affords one the maximum weekend at home without recourse to the sleeper. He told me there were still taxis even if the tube had stopped running.

Yes I've boarded it at Plymouth a couple of times for precisely that reason - more time at "home".
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« Reply #1451 on: March 09, 2019, 11:18:35 am »

If I have understood correctly, GWR services to Bedwyn are intended to be operated by 5 car IETs, but this has not yet happened due to issues regarding the on board CCTV.
Turbos still in use at present.

Since the fleet size and availability were presumably planned around the Bedwyn services being operated by IETs, it seems to me that the rest of the GWR network has in fact had several EXTRA IETs, beyond those planned for.

Despite having the Bedwyn units as extras in the short term, there have been numerous short formations as detailed in this thread.

So what happens when the CCTV issues are sorted? Will short formations increase ?

I recently observed several trains formed of a 9 car unit instead of 5+5, this matters little in itself as the capacity is very similar. If however several of the 5 car units were used as planned on services to Bedwyn, presumably many more short formations would have resulted.

A cynic might suspect that neither Hitachi nor GWR are in a hurry to use IETs on Bedwyn services if this will result in more short trains elsewhere.
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1452 on: March 09, 2019, 11:43:35 am »

I suppose at least one of the units earmarked for Bedwyn has been used to test the necessary modifications to the CCTV. Once the mod has been tested and approved needs fitting to all units.  This may not be possible in the existing maintenance schedules meaning more units out of traffic.

I am told it is hoped to introduce the Bedwyn IET services at the May timetable change.
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« Reply #1453 on: March 09, 2019, 12:22:24 pm »

Local rumours suggest it could be before May.

There is apparently a 5-car with the mod now in traffic, and if this fixes the issue it's not difficult to implement.

Broadgage is overlooking the fact that there are still at least half a dozen units (9 car 802s I think) to be delivered.
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« Reply #1454 on: March 09, 2019, 01:13:08 pm »

A cynic might suspect that neither Hitachi nor GWR are in a hurry to use IETs on Bedwyn services if this will result in more short trains elsewhere.

There ARE more short trains elsewhere.  Have you seen the long daily lists of shortforms for the West services lately, which have largely replaced the long lists of HSS we used to see?  They are of course services that Turbos held back to cover the Bedwyn's would have been covering (as well as the delayed Castle HSTs), so I would imagine GWR will want the IET'S to be modified and in service on the Bedwyn's as soon as poss.

As others have said modifications are currently being tested.
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