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« Reply #1965 on: July 30, 2019, 03:37:39 pm »

Iím sure they will be, even if there are a few headaches to overcome on the way to ensuring they are.  Just like there have been with the CCTV cameras.  Wasnít sea wall resilience part of the contract with Hitachi?

Unlike the occasional forays of a particular Voyager set, each 802 will be making almost daily passes by the sea wall working a much more politically sensitive service.
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« Reply #1966 on: July 30, 2019, 06:56:06 pm »

Oh dear, here we go again.......

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The Hitachi mobile technician was busy at Exeter this morning. 1A72 and 1A73 both had issues after being struck by waves and spray at Dawlish. 1A73 (05:29 Plymouth to Paddington) with 802106 left Exeter 51 minutes late after multiple GUs had shut down. Next along was 1A72 (05:53 Plymouth to Paddington) with 802104. This also had multiple GUs shut down whilst traversing the Dawlish sea wall. This departed Exeter 25 minutes late after the technician managed to get 3 of the GUs working. 1A72 overtook 1A73 at Exeter (instead of at Westbury) as restarting the GUs on 1A73 took longer.

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« Reply #1967 on: July 30, 2019, 07:13:44 pm »

Tonight the 1648 Cardiff to Swansea got tangled up in the silly string between Swindon and Stoke Gifford Parkway, ended up an hour late, and Hopwood's geniuses decided that, instead of reforming it as the 1751, they'd then run it non-stop to Swansea. The 1751 then got sent via Chippenham, but the lordly denizens of Stoke Gifford Parkway couldn't be set down at Stapleton Road, Filton, or Patchway and complete their journeys by bus. Oh no. Instead Hopwood's geniuses waste so much time reversing that at their little halt in Stoke Gifford that the 1751 also runs non-stop Cardiff to Swansea. But by this time, all the passengers from two IETs have ended up on TfW's two-car Pacer 1806 all stations Cardiff to Swansea. Which then gets held at Port Talbot so that Hopwood's empty 1751 (cough, 1820) can delay anyone going home to Neath even more. Why does Hopwood hate Neath so much? It's a large town and a much more convenient station for Mid and West Wales than that dinky terminus in Swansea. It is not, unlike Stoke Gifford Crossing Parkway Halt, an appropriate station to skip. Ever. Here endeth the rant.
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« Reply #1968 on: July 30, 2019, 09:25:41 pm »

G U = Generation Units ?...
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« Reply #1969 on: July 30, 2019, 09:34:34 pm »

G U = Generation Units ?...

Actually WP I understand it as 'Generating Unit' (Engine to you and me).
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« Reply #1970 on: July 30, 2019, 09:45:46 pm »

G U = Generation Units ?...

Actually WP I understand it as 'Generating Unit' (Engine to you and me).

I disagree its the Dynamo/ Alternator.
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« Reply #1971 on: July 30, 2019, 10:40:14 pm »

G U = Generation Units ?...

Actually WP I understand it as 'Generating Unit' (Engine to you and me).

I disagree its the Dynamo/ Alternator.

Itís both, the engine, the cooler group, the alternator, the emissions control - all in one unit.
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« Reply #1972 on: July 30, 2019, 11:26:43 pm »

G U = Generation Units ?...

Actually WP I understand it as 'Generating Unit' (Engine to you and me).

Yes, engine by any commonsense standards.
However TPTB don't like any mention of "engines" as that might give the impression that nasty polluting diesel fuel is involved.
"Generating units" sounds more modern and might give a more positive impression that the power is electricity, or pixie dust, or positive thoughts, rather than nasty old fashioned engines.

Also, references to "engines" might suggest that the new trains are DMUs with underfloor engines. "DMU" is considered a negative term that critics might associate with shorter trains, less luggage space, and no buffet.
These are the wonderous new purpose designed Intercity Express Trains. Any suggestions that they might actually be DMUs are to be discouraged, as are allegations that they wont have a buffet, or that they might be shorter, or not be able to accommodate holiday luggage, cycles, and surfboards. Some people might even consider them to be a DOWNGRADE.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1973 on: July 30, 2019, 11:42:56 pm »

G U = Generation Units ?...

Actually WP I understand it as 'Generating Unit' (Engine to you and me).

Yes, engine by any commonsense standards.
However TPTB don't like any mention of "engines" as that might give the impression that nasty polluting diesel fuel is involved.
"Generating units" sounds more modern and might give a more positive impression that the power is electricity, or pixie dust, or positive thoughts, rather than nasty old fashioned engines.

Also, references to "engines" might suggest that the new trains are DMUs with underfloor engines. "DMU" is considered a negative term that critics might associate with shorter trains, less luggage space, and no buffet.
These are the wonderous new purpose designed Intercity Express Trains. Any suggestions that they might actually be DMUs are to be discouraged, as are allegations that they wont have a buffet, or that they might be shorter, or not be able to accommodate holiday luggage, cycles, and surfboards. Some people might even consider them to be a DOWNGRADE.

Or maybe, there is just no conspiracy and they are called GUís, as that precisely what they are.  If they werenít slung under a train, theyíd be called Gensets.

Traditional DMUís are powered by a traditional drive train of engine, gearbox, driveshaft (Cardan shaft) and final drive on the axle, whereas these, as voyagers, are diesel electrics, with the engine being purely the power for the generator.
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« Reply #1974 on: July 31, 2019, 12:06:48 am »

Of course it is a conspiracy to try and make the IETs sound better and not like a DMU with the negative connotations thereof.

Does anyone refer to the Generating Units on a Voyager, or on Ye Olde Hampshire units, or indeed on an HST ? No of course not ! they are called engines.
Just another silly re-branding like calling track defects "safety inspections of the track"

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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1975 on: July 31, 2019, 01:46:47 am »

Donít worry, Broadgage.  The crew will be calling them engines for many years to come.  Wink
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« Reply #1976 on: July 31, 2019, 02:21:22 am »

G U = Generation Units ?...

Actually WP I understand it as 'Generating Unit' (Engine to you and me).

I disagree its the Dynamo/ Alternator.

Itís both, the engine, the cooler group, the alternator, the emissions control - all in one unit.

OK , its both, twice over or a four in one.
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« Reply #1977 on: July 31, 2019, 08:09:10 am »

Of course it is a conspiracy to try and make the IETs sound better and not like a DMU with the negative connotations thereof.

Does anyone refer to the Generating Units on a Voyager, or on Ye Olde Hampshire units, or indeed on an HST ? No of course not ! they are called engines.
Just another silly re-branding like calling track defects "safety inspections of the track"



Not called GUís on other classes, as it not all in a combined Ďunití that is removed and fitted as one entity.
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« Reply #1978 on: July 31, 2019, 08:25:47 am »


Not called GUís on other classes, as it not all in a combined Ďunití that is removed and fitted as one entity.


Is that two STOP button things on the lower front? Or is it a press both to start, and one other to stop?  Not the least bit technikul but bus big buttons at the back wot drivers are never allowed to touch (Engineers only) have 2 BIG buttons to play with. One start, one stop.  In the real world drivers are often asked to do things with those buttons, even when 'not qualified' and against Union guidance..........
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« Reply #1979 on: July 31, 2019, 12:50:30 pm »

Drivers often use the 'Local Start' or 'Local Stop' buttons whenever they are fault finding - can't remember any 'Union guidance' to say otherwise, though procedures and methods for all traction is slightly different.  On the IETs it is different as you pretty much always need authority to do anything!
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