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Author Topic: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues  (Read 306114 times)
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« Reply #2205 on: December 23, 2019, 08:59:21 am »

It's basic logic?
Basic logic would have been to have built enough full length trains to replace the full length trains they were replacing in the first place. But then basic logic does not apply to the railways.

Stepping back - I think that perhaps basic logic does apply - and that on a good day when everything and everyone is working, the trains, line capacity and staff are all there.   It's called "making full use of your resources".  Sadly, when you get the wrong type of pollen, an operating incident such as a freight train sitting down, or a retirement party everyone wants to attend, there isn't the slack in the system to cope.  And where I've listed just three potential and rare incidents, there are 300 things that each very occasionally go wrong, adding up to something going wrong on most days.

You forgot "Sundays" - not rare, they happen every week.
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« Reply #2206 on: December 23, 2019, 09:03:32 am »

You forgot "Sundays" - not rare, they happen every week.

Very true, though there's been more rain days than sun days lately.  Today is a pleasant change as it's a beautiful morning.
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« Reply #2207 on: December 23, 2019, 08:48:14 pm »

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Progress I know but still regrettable.
All very voyager like.

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« Reply #2208 on: December 23, 2019, 11:19:18 pm »

I could perhaps suggest an alternative signature for those who like IETs.

"5 cars so much better than none. A trolley is far superior to a buffet, and no trolley is better still. Padded seats are bad for you, reservations are not really needed anymore. Embrace the future"
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #2209 on: December 24, 2019, 06:18:45 am »

Yes, indeed.  Apart from the first and last sentence, which are obvious, I would encourage anyone who had those views to include them in their signature.
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« Reply #2210 on: December 24, 2019, 07:24:13 am »

Yes, indeed.  Apart from the first and last sentence, which are obvious, I would encourage anyone who had those views to include them in their signature.

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« Reply #2211 on: December 24, 2019, 07:59:35 am »

An outdated tradition...  Wink
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« Reply #2212 on: December 24, 2019, 01:33:13 pm »

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Progress I know but still regrettable.
All very voyager like.

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I really thought broadgage had got the hint and was sparing us the ad nauseam repetition, but I think it's like an addiction - try as hard as he can he can't help himself.  Maybe a New Year's resolution eh, broadgage?  I'm sure we would all welcome it, and won't take it as a sign that your views are changing. But we do know them by now.
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« Reply #2213 on: December 24, 2019, 06:34:46 pm »

I'm currently sitting on a Chiltern version of a Thames Turbo from Marylebone.  This makes the GWR version of this train look like the Orient Express and an IET look like the Blue Train. There are loads of seats seats but there's even less padding in them than a Fainsa on the IET. The padding also has less (any?) give and it's like sitting on bricks. I looked for the business zone which this train was advertised as having but it doesn't. I'm feeling every bump we go over in the train and the ride quality was never good to begin with.

Oh and no tables anywhere At least GWR do offer a trolley occasionally unlike Chiltern who offer sod all. Broadgage may complain about the IET but there's far worse out there and at the moment 1st on a GWR Thames Turbo looks palatial. Oh and I'm in the Quiet carriage which is at the front of the train. There are no doors separating the zone from the rest of the carriage which isn't helpful for noise reduction. Also as is obligatory of the 4 other people in the zone: one is asleep, one is on his mobile having a conversation and the other two are talking.

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« Reply #2214 on: December 27, 2019, 12:47:16 pm »

On a day of huge demand, limited services & crew shortages, GWR shortform trains......

11:16 Plymouth to Reading due 14:02
Additional 11:16 Plymouth to Reading due 14:02 has been previously delayed, has been further delayed at Exeter St Davids and is now 19 minutes late.
This is due to overcrowding because of an earlier cancellation.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10. Service full and standing.
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« Reply #2215 on: December 27, 2019, 01:04:41 pm »

On a day of huge demand, limited services & crew shortages, GWR shortform trains......

11:16 Plymouth to Reading due 14:02
Additional 11:16 Plymouth to Reading due 14:02 has been previously delayed, has been further delayed at Exeter St Davids and is now 19 minutes late.
This is due to overcrowding because of an earlier cancellation.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10. Service full and standing.

Unfortunately this was due to attach to the 09.15 from Penzance which, I believe, was the one involved with the incident this morning. It terminated at Plymouth 2 hours late
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« Reply #2216 on: December 27, 2019, 01:34:46 pm »

On a day of huge demand, limited services & crew shortages, GWR shortform trains......

11:16 Plymouth to Reading due 14:02
Additional 11:16 Plymouth to Reading due 14:02 has been previously delayed, has been further delayed at Exeter St Davids and is now 19 minutes late.
This is due to overcrowding because of an earlier cancellation.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10. Service full and standing.

Unfortunately this was due to attach to the 09.15 from Penzance which, I believe, was the one involved with the incident this morning. It terminated at Plymouth 2 hours late

This is very much the exception to the rule where a short form even for a really busy train is 110% understood.
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« Reply #2217 on: December 27, 2019, 01:55:14 pm »

And could well have ended up cancelled if it had been a HST.  Five coaches is better than zero some might say.
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« Reply #2218 on: December 27, 2019, 01:58:36 pm »

On a day of huge demand, limited services & crew shortages, GWR shortform trains......

11:16 Plymouth to Reading due 14:02
Additional 11:16 Plymouth to Reading due 14:02 has been previously delayed, has been further delayed at Exeter St Davids and is now 19 minutes late.
This is due to overcrowding because of an earlier cancellation.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10. Service full and standing.

This, for once, shows the flexibility of the five car sets.  With the original five involved in the fatality near Redruth there was at least five available at Plymouth to take the service forward.  Had it been an HST it would more than likely have been cancelled throughout.
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« Reply #2219 on: December 27, 2019, 02:15:06 pm »

...maybe,  maybe not.
I would say that in days gone by, the first or second west bound London/ Reading to Penzance would probably  been turned at Plymouth.
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