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Author Topic: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues  (Read 52634 times)
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« Reply #630 on: July 05, 2018, 05:36:02 pm »

Have you made many journeys on them yourself yet, Broadgage?
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« Reply #631 on: July 05, 2018, 05:52:12 pm »

Have you made many journeys on them yourself yet, Broadgage?

Iíve made a few journeys myself and they are in no way an improvement on an HST, in fact theyíre a significant downgrade with, from what I hear, several technical difficulties most resulting from the change of specification.  Some are now restricted to running in diesel only mode.
As I understand it, thereís still grave concerns over their ability to cope with seawater at Dawlish. 
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« Reply #632 on: July 05, 2018, 06:26:45 pm »

Still undecided if the IETs are an improvement on the HSTs. Both have pros and cons. However I am certain they are better than the Voyagers - whether Virginís or Cross Countryís.
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« Reply #633 on: July 05, 2018, 06:58:06 pm »

Have you made many journeys on them yourself yet, Broadgage?

Not many, I am glad to say. 3 journeys IIRC, all half length, standing only, so I cant comment on the seats.
Trolley not sighted on 2 trips. On the third journey I found the static trolley but it had run out of beer and most other drinks.
I was initially surprised by the near silent under floor engine, but then realised that it had failed.
I was told that "standing in first class is not allowed" even with a first class ticket. I have applied for a refund of the difference between first and steerage, might get it this year ?
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« Reply #634 on: July 05, 2018, 07:14:03 pm »

Yes itís a shame the 5-car situation is ruining their introduction on so many trains - a definite result for your crystal ball there.  As a 10-car (or one of the new 9-car) formation I think they are better than Pendolino or Voyagers and remind me quite a lot of Mk IVís.  The extra capacity over an 8-car HST really becomes apparent then. 

In my own trips, numbering a dozen or so, Iíve yet to have any issues with the air con, or non working engines (other than once in my first trip which didnít make much difference performance wise as the other 5 were working), but the reservation system and automatic announcements/displays have been very problematic.
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« Reply #635 on: July 05, 2018, 09:04:26 pm »

I am part way through a 1st Class Rail Rover week and am reluctant to try to write on my phone, but I'll have a go.  The first train used was  on Monday from Yatton to Bristol on a 5 coach IET with folk standing in the 1st section of the composite because they physically couldn't get into standard. So much for improvement in capacity promised. There were no reservations. The unit was in reverse formation anyway so I would have been uncomfortable if they were.  However, for me  the 1st Class seat in the IET has been by far the worst I've experienced and that's including XC and Scottish Rail Standard class. I could not cope with that for long. Only my opinion of course, but I fear the days of treating myself to a 1st on GWR have passed. Ironing board? Luxury!
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« Reply #636 on: July 05, 2018, 09:49:08 pm »

Yes people have different options.  For me the first class seats are fine - not as luxurious looking as the lovely HST GWR seats which are fantastic but, I found neck support with the moveable head cushion a real bonus (my only problem with the HST seats) as was the ability to move the window armrest and rest my arm along the window ledge.

It doesnít look the premium product it should be though and as such is one disappointing aspect of the new  trains.
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« Reply #637 on: July 06, 2018, 09:18:00 am »

Only about a dozen half length IETs today, so far.
I do however note several advertised as being 9 car instead of 10 car. This is of very little DIRECT concern as the seating capacity is very similar. It does however suggest that availability of the 5 car units is less than expected.
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« Reply #638 on: July 06, 2018, 11:17:31 am »

Still undecided if the IETs are an improvement on the HSTs. Both have pros and cons. However I am certain they are better than the Voyagers - whether Virginís or Cross Countryís.
Absolutely. Though reliability aside, I'm not sure they're an improvement over the 180s. (Reliability remains to be seen...!)
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« Reply #639 on: July 06, 2018, 01:26:52 pm »

It would appear now (well, today at least) that service introduction to the far Southwest has been deferred from 16 July 2018 to 20 August 2018.

ÖÖÖÖ...will there be enough HSTs left to maintain the service?

Probably not (cue lots of cancellations during the peak summer season).  Its apparently due to "more drivers than usual needing to be trained"..... Tongue Roll Eyes

Latest from GWR.....can't give a specific date for first IET to Plymouth/Penzance other than "later in the summer" but "all timetabled services are expected to operate" in the meantime ...........we shall see!
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« Reply #640 on: July 06, 2018, 02:36:35 pm »

Which summer?
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« Reply #641 on: July 06, 2018, 02:47:01 pm »

I'm hearing, from a source I trust, that 9 car IETs will begin operating passenger services between Paddington and Paignton on Saturday 28th July. Three down at 0818, 1018, 1218 and their return workings at 1308, 1450 and 1700.

As this is during the Newbury blockade all will travel via Swindon and Westbury. Interestingly, on the down, all three call at Swindon, but of the return workings only the 1450 ex-Paignton has a Swindon call.
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« Reply #642 on: July 09, 2018, 10:31:01 am »

Relatively few short formations of IETs this morning ... I note a report of the following HST power cars being north of the border. 

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Refurbished / repainted 43012/033/036, 43134/143/146/148/163/169/183
Not redone, but in Scotaland. 43021/132, 127/145, 135/179, 003/142

With just a handful of those not yet gone, we could have 10 cars down to 8 not to 5.  Mind you, for today the problem seems to be St Ives (2 car v 4) and Falmouth (a one car not 2 on alternate trains)
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« Reply #643 on: July 09, 2018, 01:01:43 pm »

Relatively few short formations of IETs this morning ... I note a report of the following HST power cars being north of the border. 

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Refurbished / repainted 43012/033/036, 43134/143/146/148/163/169/183
Not redone, but in Scotaland. 43021/132, 127/145, 135/179, 003/142

With just a handful of those not yet gone, we could have 10 cars down to 8 not to 5.  Mind you, for today the problem seems to be St Ives (2 car v 4) and Falmouth (a one car not 2 on alternate trains)

The short HST didn't run out of Penzance this morning due to train fault and is being replaced by a 150, although it ran down OK from Plymouth last night.   So, it would appear that this is where one of the St. Ives units has gone.
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« Reply #644 on: July 10, 2018, 12:38:44 am »

My coffee fiend friend has made her first trip on an IET and wasn't impressed. She decided not to travel in 1st after seeing there wasn't a massive difference between that and standard. So she sat in standard and didn't like the lighting "far too bright" nor the seats "far too hard" but worse was to come. Apparently when the trolley appeared she asked if she could get a cappuccino. The passenger host said yes but when she realised he was about to use instant in a cup said not to bother. As she thinks instant is an abomination that's like a red rag to a bull. She'd been unable to get anything before boarding as she'd arrived late to the station when her meeting overran. Also her tablet was misbehaving when connected to the onboard power socket. Typing or any screen press often wasn't where she pressed. It didn't happen when she took the cable out. I didn't have an explanation of what might be the cause of that. Given the tablet had 80% displayed she charged her power bank instead.
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