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« Reply #495 on: June 07, 2018, 09:33:27 am »

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The first nine-car 800/3 has been accepted for traffic, with two more to follow.

At last  Cheesy .  Will be good to start seeing trains you can walk through, "full length" trains that can all fit in at Bath Spa, and trains that don't need two train managers or equivalent.   But I do note this is two more "where to wait on the platform" possible combos, and whether the buffer trolley will be able to get all the way through enough times.

Well, you certainly wont find me celebrating this latest milestone.

It's been over four decades since the HST's entered regular service, and many still sing their praises today. I suspect it wont take as long as that before their god-awful usurpers are seen for what they are - The most ill-conceived and biggest failure of a passenger rolling stock replacement programme in UK railway history.
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« Reply #496 on: June 07, 2018, 09:56:40 am »


Well, you certainly wont find me celebrating this latest milestone.

It's been over four decades since the HST's entered regular service, and many still sing their praises today. I suspect it wont take as long as that before their god-awful usurpers are seen for what they are - The most ill-conceived and biggest failure of a passenger rolling stock replacement programme in UK railway history.

I agree.
Almost no one outside of these forums and the rail industry regards the new DMUs as an improvement over HSTs.
And a lot of customers don't realise that the down grade is PERMANENT  or at least for several decades.
I am aware of several people who have travelled on the downgraded units without realising that these are the future. A common view is that "a local train has been sent instead of a an intercity train"
The absence of reservations also gives the impression of a local train being used.
A lot of passengers are also expecting the buffet car to open once enough staff are available ! This being based on the GWR announcements "we regret that catering is not available. This is due to staff shortage" to the average customer, this implies that there IS a buffet but that staff shortage prevents it being used at present.
Voyager mark 2, but at least they don't smell as bad.
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« Reply #497 on: June 07, 2018, 12:53:06 pm »

In anticipation of the deal with drivers to operate some IET trains under DOO conditions going through early next month, training using 'shadow passenger trains' will begin next Monday running between Paddington and Didcot/Oxford and calling at Slough, Maidenhead, Twyford and Reading.  Not sure whether that will have a further impact on fleet availability?

The RMT is currently in dispute with GWR over the trains being allowed to run DOO, despite having known that was GWR's intention for an awful long time, and despite the original intention of GWR to operate the trains over all routes with the driver in control of the doors changing as a result of union pressure.  Trains will only run DOO on routes where DOO is currently authorised (so, for example Paddington to Oxford/Bedwyn services) and GWR maintain more Train Managers will be needed and not less.  The RMT fears that Train Managers will, over time, then not be required on ALL trains operating on DOO routes (so for example on a Paddington-Swansea train between Paddington and Didcot), and they also fear that, over time, DOO authorised routes will expand further so threatening their membership.  We'll see how this one shapes up in the end!
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« Reply #498 on: June 13, 2018, 06:51:36 am »

A lot more "Famous Five" (instead of 10) today.....

06:00 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington due 07:44
06:48 Weston-Super-Mare to London Paddington due 09:12
07:12 Taunton to London Paddington due 10:14
07:15 London Paddington to Cardiff Central due 09:20
08:15 London Paddington to Cardiff Central due 10:21
09:56 Cardiff Central to London Paddington due 12:00
10:00 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 11:43
10:45 London Paddington to Swansea due 13:43
10:56 Cardiff Central to London Paddington due 13:01
12:30 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 14:08
12:30 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington due 14:14
13:45 London Paddington to Swansea due 16:41
14:29 Swansea to London Paddington due 17:30
14:45 London Paddington to Swansea due 17:42
15:00 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington due 16:40
17:15 London Paddington to Carmarthen due 21:20
17:29 Swansea to London Paddington due 20:32
18:00 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 19:44
18:29 Swansea to London Paddington due 22:32
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« Reply #499 on: June 13, 2018, 07:30:11 am »

So much for the various assurances that there would be plenty of stock, and that all rush hour services would be 5+5, or 9 car.
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« Reply #500 on: June 13, 2018, 08:17:10 am »

Attracting some media attention this morning......seems like a group of journalists got left behind on the platform when their short formed train rolled in packed to the gunwales & they were unable to board.
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« Reply #501 on: June 13, 2018, 08:48:09 am »

This was published on the WNXX Forum.  A snapshot of allocations today, 13 June 2018.

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Snapshot of the 800 fleet today:

800001 - 800004 not in traffic, locations not given
800005 NP111
800006 NP108
800007 North Pole
800008 NP121
800009 NP122
800010 NP112
800011 North Pole
800012 NP125
800013 NP131
800014 NP105
800015 NP114
800016 NP124
800017 NP109
800018 NP117
800019 NP115
800020 NP132
800021 NP128
800022 Stoke Gifford
800023 Laira
800024 Stoke Gifford
800025 NP130
800026 NP119
800027 NP116
800028 NP199 (training run)
800029 NP126
800030 NP103
800031 NP118
800032 NP120
800033 NP104
800034 NP123
800035 NP106
800036 NP110

This suggests NP101/102/107/113/127 & 129 are all uncovered.

The NPxxx numbers are the allocated train diagrams for the day.  So, out of 36 available sets, only 26 are actually in service today.
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« Reply #502 on: June 13, 2018, 08:52:01 am »

A lot more "Famous Five" (instead of 10) today.....

06:00 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington due 07:44
06:48 Weston-Super-Mare to London Paddington due 09:12
07:12 Taunton to London Paddington due 10:14
07:15 London Paddington to Cardiff Central due 09:20
08:15 London Paddington to Cardiff Central due 10:21
09:56 Cardiff Central to London Paddington due 12:00
10:00 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 11:43
10:45 London Paddington to Swansea due 13:43
10:56 Cardiff Central to London Paddington due 13:01
12:30 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 14:08
12:30 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington due 14:14
13:45 London Paddington to Swansea due 16:41
14:29 Swansea to London Paddington due 17:30
14:45 London Paddington to Swansea due 17:42
15:00 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington due 16:40
17:15 London Paddington to Carmarthen due 21:20
17:29 Swansea to London Paddington due 20:32
18:00 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 19:44
18:29 Swansea to London Paddington due 22:32

I make that 5 circuits running round short formed.
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« Reply #503 on: June 13, 2018, 08:54:14 am »

Attracting some media attention this morning......seems like a group of journalists got left behind on the platform when their short formed train rolled in packed to the gunwales & they were unable to board.
Yeah you can see the headlines now 8 carriage trains replaced by 5 carriage trains.
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« Reply #504 on: June 13, 2018, 09:09:53 am »

This is very depressing from every angle. I noted some time ago that the commuters from Yatton would not be pleased that their 'increased capacity' would in fact turn out to be decreased.  Others on the forum thought it didn't matter as there wouldn't be that many people travelling between Weston and Bristol.  That's not been my experience.  Six months into the 'brave new world' of better trains and exhortations to be patient as things settle down is a long time for the daily commuter to be passive. 

I am anticipating using one of these services soon as the first train on my 'rover week' and wasn't sure if it would be an IET.  The knowledge that it might be a short formed IET does not bode well for a pleasant start.  I wonder if anyone here is monitoring the daily shortfall in supplying working IET units for the diagrams planned (and promised)?

My decision to spend most of the week in Scotland could be a good one although they have their own electric train shortage issues of a different nature up there.
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« Reply #505 on: June 13, 2018, 09:31:44 am »

The NPxxx numbers are the allocated train diagrams for the day.  So, out of 36 available sets, only 26 are actually in service today.

On a technicality: "available" has a specific meaning in the franchise agreement and the MARA, where 32 units are to be available to GWR. I presume (not having seen it written anywhere) that Hitachi could add extras to their fleet if reliability isn't good enough, so 36 is the minimum supplier's fleet size.

Since one unit is in GWR service though not carrying passengers, and five units are shown against a depot name,  I expect that means these are available to GWR (making the total of 32 as required) but have not been called up.
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« Reply #506 on: June 13, 2018, 09:41:30 am »

Thanks STUVING.  I have asked elsewhere if the IET Diagrams are published anywhere.  I have seen the Winter 2017-2018 ones.
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« Reply #507 on: June 13, 2018, 04:04:31 pm »

My evening SMS informs me that the 17:30 will be 5 not 10. One to avoid.
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« Reply #508 on: June 14, 2018, 06:13:49 am »

Attracting some media attention this morning......seems like a group of journalists got left behind on the platform when their short formed train rolled in packed to the gunwales & they were unable to board.
Yeah you can see the headlines now 8 carriage trains replaced by 5 carriage trains.

As predicted by my crystal ball. I based this prediction not on any detailed study of fleet size or demand, but simply on previous introductions of new trains.

So what, in simple terms is behind the failure to run full length trains ?
Have Hitachi failed to provide what they promised ? In which case are they paying the price for this failure ? or is there some wiggle room ?

Or are GWR failing to utilise the trains fully and leaving them in the depots ? If so why ? It cant be lack of drivers because if a driver is available for a half length train, they presumably could drive a full length train.
It does not look like lack of duplicate train managers, since that has previously resulted in a full train but with half locked out of use.
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« Reply #509 on: June 14, 2018, 09:09:21 am »

On a more positive note, chat (stolen from) elsewhere suggests 9-car IET entered service in the Cotswolds yesterday.

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