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« Reply #555 on: June 20, 2018, 16:24:57 »

Correct - GWR (Great Western Railway) have confirmed they have had all the sets they need for traffic this morning.  Apparently for the first time in three months.

Seems to conflict with this, from Thatcham Crossing ...

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I was arriving in PAD» (Paddington (London) - next trains) this morning and at around 1120 observed a 2-car 165 departing to Worcester Foregate Street, absolutely rammed to the gunnels.

As it left, the Chiltern (Parliamentary) 165 pulled in next door, and I think 1 person got off!

Its not planned for an IET (Intercity Express Train) but for a Class 165/166 Turbo (from RTT» (Real Time Trains - website)):

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Schedule Information
WTT (Working Time-Table) schedule UID C42010, identity 1W23
Runs SSuX between 21/05/2018 to 07/12/2018
Service code 25392003, headcode 7508
Express Passenger

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Schedule from ITPS
Timed for 90mph max
Pathed as Class 165/1 or 166 (Turbo) DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit)

Passenger Information
Retail Service ID GW7508
Seating: first & standard
Reservations available
Trolley service

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TRUST (Train Running System TOPS) ID 731W23MI20
Running as 1W23
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« Reply #556 on: June 20, 2018, 16:38:18 »

That may be what RTT» (Real Time Trains - website) shows, but it's not what is set out in timetable T6. Monday-to-Friday, the only Turbo workings are should be

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    06:53 Foregate St - Didcot (the halts train)
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« Reply #557 on: June 24, 2018, 10:45:13 »

Few short forms today including the Carmarthen service which calls at all stations to Gloucester additionally! Probably the worst service to short form today.
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« Reply #558 on: June 25, 2018, 22:34:57 »

Several IET (Intercity Express Train)’s sets failed today with overheating issues causing engines to shut down. Will be interesting to see how this develops over the coming days.
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« Reply #559 on: June 26, 2018, 00:29:11 »

Will Hitachi be financially liable for the failures due to overheating ? Or is there some wiggle room ?
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #560 on: June 26, 2018, 06:31:52 »

Several IET (Intercity Express Train)’s sets failed today with overheating issues causing engines to shut down. Will be interesting to see how this develops over the coming days.

Oh pleaseeeeee no! This is a 21st century train that should be capeable of running in virtually any weather conditions. Thats poor.
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« Reply #561 on: June 26, 2018, 07:17:29 »

Several IET (Intercity Express Train)’s sets failed today with overheating issues causing engines to shut down. Will be interesting to see how this develops over the coming days.

Oh pleaseeeeee no! This is a 21st century train that should be capeable of running in virtually any weather conditions. Thats poor.

Now that we have warm weather for a week or two the usual "poor track condition" chaos will no doubt kick in as well!
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« Reply #562 on: June 26, 2018, 07:55:37 »

Several IET (Intercity Express Train)’s sets failed today with overheating issues causing engines to shut down. Will be interesting to see how this develops over the coming days.

Oh pleaseeeeee no! This is a 21st century train that should be capeable of running in virtually any weather conditions. Thats poor.

And lo...

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Cancellations to services on all routes

Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time fewer trains are able to run.

Train services running across the whole Great Western Railway network may be cancelled or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

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Following a number of broken down trains yesterday evening; we are critically short of trains for todays' service - particularly on our London to Bristol / South Wales / Cheltenham / Worcester routes.

Engineering teams are working to repair as many trains as possible before this evenings' peak; but in the meantime services may be cancelled or formed of fewer coaches than normal.

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« Reply #563 on: June 26, 2018, 08:03:34 »

Over a dozen half length IETs (Intercity Express Train) so far today.
Also several cancellations due to "more trains than usual needing repairs" I suspect that some of those are also IETs.

Edited, over 20 short formed IETs now.

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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #564 on: June 26, 2018, 08:43:10 »

Does a short form service count towards the reliability metric for season ticket refunds? Presumably not, which would explain why it’s better for GWR (Great Western Railway) to run more shortforms than half the ‘full service’ trains instead.
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« Reply #565 on: June 26, 2018, 08:54:18 »

As GWR (Great Western Railway) say:
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Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time fewer trains are able to run.
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Train services running across the whole Great Western Railway network may be cancelled or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Additional Information:
Following a number of broken down trains yesterday evening; we are critically short of trains for todays' service - particularly on our London to Bristol / South Wales / Cheltenham / Worcester routes.
Engineering teams are working to repair as many trains as possible before this evenings' peak; but in the meantime services may be cancelled or formed of fewer coaches than normal.

Some HSTs (High Speed Train) having trouble as well and I can see some 387 running 4 vice 8.
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« Reply #566 on: June 26, 2018, 09:08:41 »

Utterly hopeless- this is brand new kit for Christ's sake!.......and we haven't even started on cancellations due to "poor rail conditions" yet now that it's warm outside.
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« Reply #567 on: June 26, 2018, 09:12:55 »

Just to be clear TG.  Its not poor rail conditions but generally caused by rails that haven't had time to be properly stressed due to recent relaying or renewal.  Last thing we need would be to have a buckled rail causing a high speed derailment.  Still a well known and managible situation though.  We used to hear less of it in those 'good old BR (British Rail(ways)) days!'.
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« Reply #568 on: June 26, 2018, 09:18:42 »

According to 'insiders' on the WNXX (Stored Unserviceable, Mainline Locos HQ All Classes) Forum the engine overheating issue is being caused by blocked air filters under the body skirt.  What a brilliant place to put them......
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« Reply #569 on: June 26, 2018, 09:28:17 »

  We used to hear less of it in those 'good old BR (British Rail(ways)) days!'.

Was that because we didn’t have social media, and such easy communications?

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