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Author Topic: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues  (Read 72953 times)
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« Reply #660 on: July 12, 2018, 07:55:13 pm »

Seems to have had an extended stop at Slough every day this week.

As I mentioned in the 387 thread a few weeks back, all it takes is for a few people to stop by the rear door of coach 8 (coach 7 for Slough) and that backs everyone else up who have no choice but to walk through once already platformed.
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« Reply #661 on: July 12, 2018, 08:09:11 pm »

They can't be. 5, 9 or 10 only.  1842 booked for Cl 387 where passengers can walk through the train before Slough.  They will have to learn to listen to announcements.
I did pose the question with 'tonuge in cheek'.....
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« Reply #662 on: July 12, 2018, 09:07:28 pm »

They can't be. 5, 9 or 10 only.  1842 booked for Cl 387 where passengers can walk through the train before Slough.  They will have to learn to listen to announcements.

Or has been the case when I've been on these trains they're so crowded from cancellations and short formed stock elsewhere that you can't move forward. People are standing in all the coaches so you have no choice but to stand in one of the rear end coaches and hope you can get off in time.
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« Reply #663 on: July 12, 2018, 11:02:50 pm »

Iím not convinced that the marriage of long trains with short platforms really works. I was on the 18.42 from Paddington which is 12 carriages. I was in coach 7 which is the last to platform at Slough (its first stop).
I counted 240 passengers emerging from coaches 8-12 once it was platformed. 240!!

It was platformed for nearly 5 minutes to do this. How does that fit into the timetable?

Lucky you weren't on the 1751 (1D93), that stopped at Reading for its nightly lets waste 10 minutes trying to workout how to disconnect 4 carriages for absolutely no reason, only for us to be told that someone had pulled the emergency stop, and then finally 30 minutes after we had pulled in, that the train was going no where as it was all locked up and they had no clue what to do! The guy I spoke to had to manually open all the doors to get us all off and said he had never seen anything like it before!

Anyone know what the actual problem was?
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« Reply #664 on: July 12, 2018, 11:23:06 pm »

I didn't realise IET trains could be in 12 coach formations.  How does that work when the sets are 5 car or 9 car fixed set formations..... Roll Eyes Tongue

Apologies, I'm not great with train numbers and designations - I'd only just understood turbos vs HSTs.  If this is in the wrong thread then I am sorry.
It was a 12 car new shiny train, and my point was really about the long dwell times and that passengers got stuck on the train, facing at least a 30min return trip from the next station, once the driver lost patience with disembarking them, shut the doors and drove off.
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« Reply #665 on: July 12, 2018, 11:33:35 pm »

I didn't realise IET trains could be in 12 coach formations.  How does that work when the sets are 5 car or 9 car fixed set formations..... Roll Eyes Tongue

Apologies, I'm not great with train numbers and designations - I'd only just understood turbos vs HSTs.  If this is in the wrong thread then I am sorry.

It was a 12 car new shiny train, and my point was really about the long dwell times and that passengers got stuck on the train, facing at least a 30min return trip from the next station, once the driver lost patience with disembarking them, shut the doors and drove off.

I wouldn't worry about the stuff in little text.    There is a problem with stopping trains that are Y carriages long in stations which can only take a maximum of X carriages, where X<Y, unless Z (the number of passengers getting on and off) is a small number and W (the time taken between stations) is long enough for a train manage to walk through in "Collie mode" - i.e. gathering passengers wishing to leave the train ahead of himself.

Works well enough at Dilton Marsh and Avoncliff.   Was failing at Melksham because Z was an increasingly large number.
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« Reply #666 on: July 13, 2018, 11:10:01 pm »

What is going on with the platform extensions at Slough and elsewhere?

Network Rail's project W004 (Thames Valley Electric Multiple Unit Capability Works) includes stretching all four through platforms at Slough (and 9 others too) to 12-car length. It also covers any other NR work needed for 12-car trains to run and to call there. It was due to complete December 2017, and in March the milestone "EIS Infrastructure authorised (Paddington to Didcot) - Infrastructure authorised for passenger use" was listed as completed.

So have they actually done the work, or is that just not true? And if it is true, why don't the trains use that length? The only other step I can think of that's needed is to tell the trains to stop SDOing, and surely that doesn't take several months - even for GWR - does it? Note that work on SDO balises was excluded from W004, but for NR to not do what the trains need, or for NR and GWR do be still arguing about what that is, would be equally inexcusable.

PS: yes, this strand does belong on the thread about 387s, where earlier similar discussions took place.
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« Reply #667 on: July 14, 2018, 07:55:09 am »

The only station where extention works have been completed beyond Hayes is at Twyford.  Though the inability to extend the up relief platform means it is still SDO 7 until the software for recognising different platform lengths at a specific station is added.

Work started a year ago on Didcot, Cholsey, Goring and Pangbourne but has progressed at a pitiful pace - though Pangbourne now looks just about ready.  Works at Radley started last month.

Works at Slough and Maidenhead (and the rest) havenít really started yet, and they are the two most important in terms of numbers of trains, and therefore passengers, being inconvenienced daily.
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« Reply #668 on: July 15, 2018, 10:55:48 am »

After several days of full length IETs, I observe half a dozen half length services today, lack of staff rather than lack of trains this time.
Whilst the failure of GWR to engage enough staff is not the fault of the new trains, it does represent another drawback of downgrading an intercity service to short DMUs.

Had we retained HSTs, or if the HSTs had been replaced with new full length intercity trains, then this situation would not have occurred.

Whilst a few half length trains may seem of little consequence if compared to the DOZENS of cancellations, it is at times like this that full length trains are needed.
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« Reply #669 on: July 15, 2018, 10:59:35 am »

After several days of full length IETs, I observe half a dozen half length services today, lack of staff rather than lack of trains this time.
Whilst the failure of GWR to engage enough staff is not the fault of the new trains, it does represent another drawback of downgrading an intercity service to short DMUs.

Had we retained HSTs, or if the HSTs had been replaced with new full length intercity trains, then this situation would not have occurred.

Whilst a few half length trains may seem of little consequence if compared to the DOZENS of cancellations, it is at times like this that full length trains are needed.
To add insult to injury the five carriages locked out of use will probably be joined to the five coaches being used which will be absolutely rammed.
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« Reply #670 on: July 18, 2018, 12:45:14 pm »

Journeycheck looks very quiet as I type.........
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« Reply #671 on: July 18, 2018, 01:56:33 pm »

Journeycheck looks very quiet as I type.........

Sort of way it should look every day.
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« Reply #672 on: July 18, 2018, 02:00:20 pm »

Journeycheck looks very quiet as I type.........

Well, that's jinxed it. I fully expect a major issue in tonight's rush hour now.  Tongue
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« Reply #673 on: July 18, 2018, 04:04:15 pm »

Indeed  Grin
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« Reply #674 on: July 18, 2018, 04:24:00 pm »

Journeycheck looks very quiet as I type.........

Well, that's jinxed it. I fully expect a major issue in tonight's rush hour now.  Tongue

Oh dear. I hate to say I told you so, but:

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