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Author Topic: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues  (Read 216458 times)
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« Reply #1605 on: May 15, 2019, 07:05:24 pm »

My first trip on an IET yesterday, a 9 car IET from Exeter to Truro, with the return journey also a 9 car unit. These trains look very smart, and you have to wonder why FGW didnít think of the full green livery years ago - even the Pacers look quite dapper.

Outward journey in coach C:
Seat was fine for me and a good view (but not all seats aligned with windows. However, a lot of engine noise and vibration on the Devon banks, and I worry this might increase as the units age. Also, the air conditioning felt a bit warm and the air not very fresh. The trolley visited twice, but what a woeful offering, where are the bigger and better trolleys we were promised? The extra capacity of these units was appreciated as no problem getting two airline seats to myself despite plenty of holidaymakers joining at all stations.

Return journey in coach F:
Much quieter as no engine under this coach. Plenty of seats free on what Iíds usually a quite croweded service (16.41). Two visits from the woeful trolley, but not needed as in anticipation of no buffet I had my own M&S 25cl Beajolais wines and plastic tumblers. Not sure the trolley staff were enjoying their work, but then seven Standard coaches is quite a haul. A bit warm and stuffy again, this needs looking at in my opinion.

Overall, if they can sort out the air-con and, as a minimum at least, upgrade the trolleys then Iím sure these 9 car units will prove popular with the travelling public. Presumably the 5 car units will operate the extra HST services in Cornwall when the new timetable starts?
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« Reply #1606 on: May 15, 2019, 08:21:21 pm »

With the launch of the Azuma I have watched many videos of the train and this is what I can gather from the interior:

I have once been on a IET with a failed PIS (meaning the info screens were down) leading to reservations being outright cancelled and (before the Stonehouse extension) the Peer Trainer and the Trainee Train Manager had to walk up the train telling passengers where they could alright. They have signs at the end of the carriage with info on the coach and other useful bits of information.

As the wheelchair spaces are in coaches A and L, LNER has developed a common sense attitude where they have now made coach H the quiet coach so wheelchair passengers do not have to sit in the quiet carriage..

Obviously, the buffet-trolley system is a good option (with reasons I do not need to point out) and the fact that First Class customers get a more ďFirst ClassĒ service with meals and crockery being used is an upside.

LNER has been able to launch the train to the best of its ability rather than GWR releasing it without the updated moquette, without proper signage, without checks to the reservation system and applicable updates and didnít launch it on one of the busiest services they operate.

Yes, GWR had less time due to leasing but could there have been another way around this?

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« Reply #1607 on: May 16, 2019, 03:54:12 pm »


Clearly the quality of ride is (a) dependent on track, (b) speed and (c) in the absence of accelerometers the judgement is subjective...

There is, of course, an alternative to an accelerometer, as anyone (male only, at least I think so) who has been using a toilet as the train rounds a bend will know. It was a close call, but I managed to keep to the bowl. No failed PIS involved.

On the 1648 Cardiff to Swansea (1445 ex Pad) last night, the lady sitting next to me asked me whether it was possible to get a drink on this train.

Just not thirsty enough.
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« Reply #1608 on: May 16, 2019, 04:13:42 pm »

Agree that B should be the quiet coach.  As when A isnít being used by wheelchair bound passengers it is the obvious buggy space.
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« Reply #1609 on: May 17, 2019, 04:26:58 am »

Agree that B should be the quiet coach.  As when A isnít being used by wheelchair bound passengers it is the obvious buggy space.

Having the wheelchair space in the quiet coach does indeed make for problems with noisy wheelchair and wheelchair space users;  everyone is different and that applies to those who have to use wheelchairs - including the subset of wheelchair users with Tourette Syndrome.  Not sure how common that combination is nationwide nor of the travel habits of such people, but I see them on a pretty regular basis.

Quiet carriage is probably at the end to reduce the noise / disturbance of people passing through, though.  No sure how much of an issue that is, now that refreshments come to passenger's seats - are there any stats on numbers of people walking along inside trains?

On a lighter note, I travelled with IsamBIRD in the quiet carriage / a wheelchair space not otherwise needed by a wheelchair on that journey.  It was a real hoot - with everyone wanting to take his portrait and talking about him.  He told me that all he wanted to do was sleep, being daytime - but the noise of people discussing him in the quiet carriage made that rather hard.

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« Reply #1610 on: May 17, 2019, 06:05:15 am »


On a lighter note, I travelled with IsamBIRD in the quiet carriage / a wheelchair space not otherwise needed by a wheelchair on that journey.  It was a real hoot - with everyone wanting to take his portrait and talking about him.  He told me that all he wanted to do was sleep, being daytime - but the noise of people discussing him in the quiet carriage made that rather hard.

The pressure is getting to him... Graham is talking to an owl!   Grin
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« Reply #1611 on: May 17, 2019, 06:26:09 am »

Huge respect to Graham for travelling with such a large, unusual but amazing piece of luggage.
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« Reply #1612 on: May 17, 2019, 06:58:22 am »

Huge respect to Graham for travelling with such a large, unusual but amazing piece of luggage.

Thank you - the exercise was well planned and indeed has a serious purpose which I'll write up at a later point.   It went remarkably well - but taught me some things too.

P.S. Isambird is outside the Conditions of Travel size limits but within wheelchair dimensions, and was specially authorised to make these journeys by train by GWR
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« Reply #1613 on: May 17, 2019, 07:02:40 am »

Huge respect to Graham for travelling with such a large, unusual but amazing piece of luggage.

I hope grahame paid £5 for 'oversize luggage' (same price as a surfboard)  Grin
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« Reply #1614 on: May 18, 2019, 12:00:45 pm »

Does anyone know the following.

In IET first class, what is the distance between seat back and the front edge of the table ?
And what is the corresponding measurement in HST first class.

It seems subjectively to be smaller on an IET, but perhaps my waist line has expanded.
Wondered if anyone has the actual dimensions.
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1615 on: May 18, 2019, 06:19:48 pm »

It seems subjectively to be smaller on an IET, but perhaps my waist line has expanded.
Wondered if anyone has the actual dimensions.
With no buffet cars, I don't see how that could have happened!!  Grin Grin

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« Reply #1616 on: May 18, 2019, 06:43:22 pm »

I'd have thought this thread would have been suspended for today out of respect for you know what Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #1617 on: May 19, 2019, 12:15:41 pm »

Reminded by the ending of tanking HSTs at Paddington - http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=21613.0 - anyone got any idea what these signs on the side of an IET are all about?

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« Reply #1618 on: May 19, 2019, 12:30:18 pm »

Urea could be for the diesel engines. Similar to AdBlue in a diesel car.

Aspic. No idea. Do GWR plan to make fresh pork pies onboard?!  Tongue
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« Reply #1619 on: May 19, 2019, 12:43:13 pm »

ASPIC might be Air ----- ---- Isolating Cock. Not sure what S and and P stand for.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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