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Author Topic: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues  (Read 441362 times)
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« Reply #1815 on: June 24, 2019, 07:39:31 pm »

I’m thinking of going to see a doctor as there is clearly something wrong with me in that I actually like the IETs (Intercity Express Train) and that’s coming from someone who loves HSTs (High Speed Train).

We could start a support group. I think they are fine too.
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« Reply #1816 on: June 24, 2019, 07:59:51 pm »

I’m thinking of going to see a doctor as there is clearly something wrong with me in that I actually like the IETs (Intercity Express Train) and that’s coming from someone who loves HSTs (High Speed Train).

We could start a support group. I think they are fine too.

So do I, if confined to local or suburban services.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1817 on: June 24, 2019, 09:45:55 pm »

Having travelled 9,800 miles on 800s and 802s, I don't mind them. 

Some of the early niggles like the reservation system and lengthy delays at stations while staff and passengers got used to where to board and alight have eased.  (Bath Spa was a favourite for that)

As mentioned before I don't have the same issue with the seats as many have commented.

There has been the odd occasion when the air-conditioning has been working but the temperature was set too high so it felt a bit warm.   However it was certainly ok on 802 108 today - when I got off at Paddington after four hours on board the heat of the city really hit you!
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« Reply #1818 on: June 25, 2019, 10:40:05 am »

Over 20 half length IETs (Intercity Express Train) today, according to journey check which is not that reliable these days.
Is the warm weather taking its toll ?

I have heard a rumour that the major timetable alteration that was planned for this December is being cancelled again, due to concerns about IET availability. (minor alterations are of course possible and could be "re-branded" as a major alteration)
Apart from rolling stock problems, there is rather a fear of major timetable alterations after well publicised fiascos elsewhere.
GWR (Great Western Railway) are struggling to run the PRESENT timetable, how on earth would they hope with significant enhancements ?
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1819 on: June 25, 2019, 10:57:41 am »

A minor 'calling on' bump between two sets at Paddington last night won't have help fleet availability today.
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« Reply #1820 on: June 25, 2019, 02:24:19 pm »

I have heard a rumour that the major timetable alteration that was planned for this December is being cancelled again, due to concerns about IET (Intercity Express Train) availability. (minor alterations are of course possible and could be "re-branded" as a major alteration)
Apart from rolling stock problems, there is rather a fear of major timetable alterations after well publicised fiascos elsewhere.
GWR (Great Western Railway) are struggling to run the PRESENT timetable, how on earth would they hope with significant enhancements ?

Where did you hear that rumour?  I haven’t heard anything myself as yet.

The timetable ‘offer’ would have been received from NR» (Network Rail - home page) in the last few days based on GWRs submission of a couple of months ago.
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« Reply #1821 on: June 25, 2019, 03:09:29 pm »

I heard the rumour from a group of GWR (Great Western Railway) office staff enjoying a day out at the West Somerset Railway gala.
The shortage of rolling stock was given as the main reason, not only have IETs (Intercity Express Train) failed to achieve the hoped for level of reliability, older stock is also in short supply.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1822 on: June 25, 2019, 03:14:12 pm »

Ok, well I suppose we’ll find out if there’s any substance to it over the coming weeks.  I would certainly favour postponement over trying to deliver something that’s undeliverable, though a postponement would be a big disappointment.
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« Reply #1823 on: June 25, 2019, 04:46:39 pm »

Ok, well I suppose we’ll find out if there’s any substance to it over the coming weeks.  I would certainly favour postponement over trying to deliver something that’s undeliverable, though a postponement would be a big disappointment.

I’ve heard similar rumours from an Hitachi fitter.... First & Hitachi telling the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) it’s not achievable without additional sets, DafT not listening and insisting it should go ahead.  They were saying the new timetable would require all but one or two sets in service every day and some timings don’t work whatsoever.  Time will tell I suppose. 
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« Reply #1824 on: June 25, 2019, 05:21:52 pm »

Over 20 half length IETs (Intercity Express Train) today, according to journey check which is not that reliable these days.

Vile, cramped conditions on the 1722 out of Paddington. And that's in 1st class.
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« Reply #1825 on: June 25, 2019, 05:30:01 pm »

Over 20 half length IETs (Intercity Express Train) today, according to journey check which is not that reliable these days.

Vile, cramped conditions on the 1722 out of Paddington. And that's in 1st class.
Is it running 5 vice 10 as well? Not listed on Journey Check as being shortfomed but as Broadgage notes it’s not very reliable.

If it is to be believed, services to South Wales this evening could be unpleasant with the 1715, 1745, 1845, 2015 and 2115 all listed as 5 vice 9/10  Sad
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« Reply #1826 on: June 25, 2019, 05:35:43 pm »

If it is to be believed, services to South Wales this evening could be unpleasant with the 1715, 1745, 1845, 2015 and 2115 all listed as 5 vice 9/10  Sad

All of those look to be either 9 or 10 cars now, with the exception of the 21:15 which currently hasn't got anything allocated as of yet.
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« Reply #1827 on: June 25, 2019, 05:47:26 pm »

Over 20 half length IETs (Intercity Express Train) today, according to journey check which is not that reliable these days.

Vile, cramped conditions on the 1722 out of Paddington. And that's in 1st class.
Is it running 5 vice 10 as well?
It is
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« Reply #1828 on: June 25, 2019, 05:50:36 pm »

If it is to be believed, services to South Wales this evening could be unpleasant with the 1715, 1745, 1845, 2015 and 2115 all listed as 5 vice 9/10  Sad

All of those look to be either 9 or 10 cars now, with the exception of the 21:15 which currently hasn't got anything allocated as of yet.
Good to hear, though it looks like those on the 1722 are paying the price.
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« Reply #1829 on: June 25, 2019, 05:54:23 pm »

Good to hear, though it looks like those on the 1722 are paying the price.

And the 17:52 and 18:37 - though they are less busy trains or busy for less of a distance, so some sensible swapping around going on.
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