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« Reply #1830 on: June 25, 2019, 06:31:34 pm »

Ok, well I suppose we’ll find out if there’s any substance to it over the coming weeks.  I would certainly favour postponement over trying to deliver something that’s undeliverable, though a postponement would be a big disappointment.

I’ve heard similar rumours from an Hitachi fitter.... First & Hitachi telling the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) it’s not achievable without additional sets, DafT not listening and insisting it should go ahead.  They were saying the new timetable would require all but one or two sets in service every day and some timings don’t work whatsoever.  Time will tell I suppose. 

Round and round the blame game goes, as for the customers? Nobody knows (or cares).
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« Reply #1831 on: June 25, 2019, 07:24:51 pm »

If it is to be believed, services to South Wales this evening could be unpleasant with the 1715, 1745, 1845, 2015 and 2115 all listed as 5 vice 9/10  Sad

All of those look to be either 9 or 10 cars now, with the exception of the 21:15 which currently hasn't got anything allocated as of yet.

Wonder where they got those from? I posted earlier on the Cotswold Line 2019 amendment thread that most of the evening peak services to Great Malvern/Hereford seem to be five coaches instead of nine, though none reported on JourneyCheck.
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« Reply #1832 on: June 25, 2019, 09:30:08 pm »

All of those look to be either 9 or 10 cars now, with the exception of the 21:15 which currently hasn't got anything allocated as of yet.

21:15 was also boosted to a 9-car.  JourneyCheck utterly useless in listing trains that are full length as short, and not listing those that are shortformed!
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« Reply #1833 on: June 25, 2019, 09:30:58 pm »

CIS (Customer Information System) hasn't caught up either - not showing any details.
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« Reply #1834 on: June 25, 2019, 09:31:53 pm »

CIS (Customer Information System) hasn't caught up either - not showing any details.

No, nor my internal system!  Had to resort to watching it pass Slough on Railcam! Nothing beats a bit of mid-evening virtual trainspotting! Wink
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« Reply #1835 on: June 25, 2019, 09:32:34 pm »

There's dedication to the cause!
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« Reply #1836 on: June 25, 2019, 09:49:44 pm »

Ok, well I suppose we’ll find out if there’s any substance to it over the coming weeks.  I would certainly favour postponement over trying to deliver something that’s undeliverable, though a postponement would be a big disappointment.

I’ve heard similar rumours from an Hitachi fitter.... First & Hitachi telling the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) it’s not achievable without additional sets, DafT not listening and insisting it should go ahead.  They were saying the new timetable would require all but one or two sets in service every day and some timings don’t work whatsoever.  Time will tell I suppose. 

Round and round the blame game goes, as for the customers? Nobody knows (or cares).

People care, people care a lot.  Unfortunately it’s the people within the DfT who think they know better because it all works on paper.  They’re just going to repeat the same mistakes they’ve made previously. As I said, you’ve got both GWR (Great Western Railway) and Hitachi telling the DfT it won’t work and the DfT insisting it will.  How the DfT think it knows better is anyone’s guess. 
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« Reply #1837 on: June 26, 2019, 04:14:32 am »

Ok, well I suppose we’ll find out if there’s any substance to it over the coming weeks.  I would certainly favour postponement over trying to deliver something that’s undeliverable, though a postponement would be a big disappointment.

I’ve heard similar rumours from an Hitachi fitter.... First & Hitachi telling the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) it’s not achievable without additional sets, DafT not listening and insisting it should go ahead.  They were saying the new timetable would require all but one or two sets in service every day and some timings don’t work whatsoever.  Time will tell I suppose. 

Round and round the blame game goes, as for the customers? Nobody knows (or cares).

People care, people care a lot.  Unfortunately it’s the people within the DfT who think they know better because it all works on paper.  They’re just going to repeat the same mistakes they’ve made previously. As I said, you’ve got both GWR (Great Western Railway) and Hitachi telling the DfT it won’t work and the DfT insisting it will.  How the DfT think it knows better is anyone’s guess. 


And when it all goes 'belly up' whom will DfT point the finger at, Network Rail ?
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« Reply #1838 on: June 26, 2019, 04:23:39 am »

Already 42 short formations for today on JournetCheck and its not yet 04:30am.
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« Reply #1839 on: June 26, 2019, 07:58:07 am »

Glastonbury?
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« Reply #1840 on: June 26, 2019, 08:18:59 am »

Already 42 short formations for today on JournetCheck and its not yet 04:30am.

Is that short formations or formation changes?

Many of the longer distance service changes are 9 rather than 10 which don't really make much difference from a capacity point of view. The 9 car units appear to have been switched from the shorter Oxford services.

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« Reply #1841 on: June 26, 2019, 10:01:53 am »

Still over 20 half length IETs (Intercity Express Train) though, 5 car instead of 9 car or 10 car.

Advocates of the IETs will no doubt state that this is in fact a great advantage of DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) operation and that otherwise we would have had no train.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1842 on: June 26, 2019, 10:11:07 am »

It does indeed make planning for such events easier.
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« Reply #1843 on: June 26, 2019, 10:35:26 am »

Glastonbury?

This years Glastonbury has a shuttle bus service from Temple Meads to the site which I have not known of in previous years.
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« Reply #1844 on: June 26, 2019, 10:41:08 am »

Glastonbury?

This years Glastonbury has a shuttle bus service from Temple Meads to the site which I have not known of in previous years.

Seems odd.
5 car trains to Castle Cary would not cope with the numbers, but Bristol also suffers from short trainsflexible train lengths.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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