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« on: October 14, 2017, 11:59:30 PM »

Tis the season for fairs and carnivals. My home town, Chard, held its annual carnival procession tonight. One of many carnivals on two circuits* across Somerset in the autumn.

The Chard procession passes right by my flat.




Sadly, tonight's Chard Carnival was marred by a serious incident at the end of the procession. Someone fell from a cart and was trapped under it. The scene is still cordoned off as I type and the Air Ambulance has just departed.


*There are two Somerset Carnival circuits. The smaler South Somerset Carnivals Federation which is (2017 dates): Wellington (30/9), Ilminster (7/10), Chard (14/10), Taunton (21/10).

And the larger Somerset Guy Fawkes Carnival Association circuit starting with Bridgwater (4/11),  then Highbridge & Burnham (6/11), Weston Super Mare (10/11), North Petherton (11/11), Shepton Mallet (15/11), Wells (17/11), and finally Glastonbury (18/11).
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2017, 02:27:34 PM »

Sad to hear of the incident at Chard.  Our (Melksham) carnival which happens earlier in the year has tightened up on health and safety in recent years and I believe that it's as a result of this that the number of floats has plummeted.  As introduced, the new rules required a "wheel marshall" for each wheel on a vehicle, cars excepted.   That was the year that TransWilts took all the things you could take on a train in the parade, and we managed to get a dispensation for the pram (which required 4 marshals in addition to the pusher) and for the bicycle (which should have had two dedicated marshals).

In all seriousness, where something out of the ordinary is being done, there are extra (out of the ordinary) risks; this accident (latest reports state of the lady concerned having severe leg damage and being critically ill in Southmead) shows the dangers and is a reminder to us all when we do unusual things.
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2017, 02:40:17 PM »

The BBC have picked up the story.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-41627730

A much fuller report from the local press:

http://www.chardandilminsternews.co.uk/news/15597052.UPDATE__Woman_gets_trapped_under_carnival_float_at_Chard_Carnival/

I'm hearing that the person involved was a marshal rather than someone on the cart. They passed out and fell into the path of the cart. This is just from uncorroborated conversation with neighbours and those clearing the 'Road Closed' signs and cones early this morning. When I went out with the dog at 7.30am the cart was still where it stopped last night. Police were still investigating. Thoughts are with the injured lady.


Mods. Perhaps split off this Chard carnival stuff from post #22 to a more appropriate board. My fault but it's not really Lighter Side stuff.
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2017, 03:46:44 PM »

Mods. Perhaps split off this Chard carnival stuff from post #22 to a more appropriate board. My fault but it's not really Lighter Side stuff.


Split as suggested - noone's fault that we spawned a very serious side-subject.   Thanks for the nudge to split from
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2017, 04:39:08 PM »

So, H&S needs to consider marshals safety as well as those acrively taking part. Not sure anything could be done for this lady if as reported, but still.
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2017, 06:20:39 PM »

This must have become a more serious issue when people started replacing farm carts with assorted flatbed trucks. Bigger crowds of outsiders, not knowing what to expect, probably add to that.

 I recall sometime in the early 80s our company float being firmly directed out of the Linlithgow Marches procession after one length of the High Street by the police. The full route goes three times round the Cross Well in the middle of town (as well as seven times the length of the High Street), which is where the biggest crowds are. As our vehicle (borrowed by the usual mysterious process) was rather wide - almost a low loader - that was certainly the right decision, even if we were a bit peeved at the time.
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2017, 07:55:27 PM »

With the Somerset Carnivals, strict rules need to be followed for large carts. Weight, length, width, height, braking efficiency, competent person and so on. Vehicle Special Orders are required.

There are also limits on the number of people a cart is allowed to carry. All riders are advised to wear approved safety tethers, this is not mandatory but should be subject to risk assessment. No riders should have their feet more than 10' above ground. Each cart requires marshals walking alongside, at least one of whom must be fire trained. Health & Safety briefings are held with all participants prior to the start of a procession.

Carnival clubs entering processions must have Public Liability Insurance.

Sadly, as in any heavily regulated activity, incidents to occur, but everything possible is done to mitigate. The rules have proved too onerous for many Carnival clubs, who have either folded or scaled back their entries.

https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/advice/vehicles-and-roads/vehicle-special-order-for-carnivals/
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2017, 08:04:49 PM »

With the Somerset Carnivals ...

Sadly, as in any heavily regulated activity, incidents to occur, but everything possible is done to mitigate. The rules have proved too onerous for many Carnival clubs, who have either folded or scaled back their entries.

The folding and scaling back is not limited to Somerset ...
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2017, 04:55:44 PM »

An update on the woman injured at Chard Carnival, from Chard & Ilminster News:

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Family of woman injured at Chard Carnival thank public for 'support and kindness'

FAMILY and friends of the woman who sustained serious injuries in a freak accident at Chard Carnival have thanked everyone for their support.

The woman, who suffered life-changing injuries in the accident on Saturday, October 14, 2017, is still recovering at Southmead Hospital in Bristol although it is hoped she will soon be transferred to Musgrove Park Hospital in Taunton in order to be nearer her loved ones in Chard.

She was a member of the road crew of the Chard-based Eclipse Carnival Club when she got trapped underneath the club’s float at the end of the parade route in Tapstone Road by the Tesco store.

Two weeks on from the accident and her family have thanked everyone for their kindness in what has brought the Chard and Carnival community together.

“We would like to thank Devon and Somerset Fire and Rescue Service, the Coastguard Air Ambulance, Avon and Somerset Police, Eclipse Carnival Club and other Carnival Clubs for all their help and support and to the general public for their kindness,” said a family statement.

“We would also like to thank Manor Court Primary School and Holyrood Academy in Chard for its support at this difficult time.”

The family has still decided to remain anonymous, while they have also yet to publicly divulge the full extent of the injuries sustained in the dreadful accident.

The woman is still in a stable condition, but family and friends have been amazed and truly humbled at her bravery, courage and sense of humour.

“She is still pulling jokes and trying to remain upbeat,” said a family friend.

Eclipse Carnival Club members were left devastated by the accident and had been thinking about hanging up their costumes for the remainder of this Carnival season because of the terrible events.

But their friend and Carnival colleague has had none of it and has demanded that they take to the Somerset County Guy Fawkes Carnival Circuit – starting with the big one at Bridgwater on Saturday (November 4, 2017).

“She doesn’t want us to stop just because of her,” said a spokesman for Eclipse CC. “We had been thinking about stopping because of what happened, but now after what she has said we will hopefully be there at the start at Bridgwater Carnival"
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