Train GraphicClick on the map to explore geographics
 
I need help
FAQ
Emergency
About .
Travel & transport from BBC stories as at 17:35 28 Mar 2024
- How do I renew my UK passport and what is the 10-year rule?
- Passengers pleaded with knifeman during attack
* Family anger at sentence on fatal crash driver, 19
- Easter travel warning as millions set to hit roads
Read about the forum [here].
Register [here] - it's free.
What do I gain from registering? [here]
 02/06/24 - Summer Timetable starts
17/08/24 - Bus to Imber
27/09/25 - 200 years of passenger trains

On this day
28th Mar (1917)
Bideford, Westward Ho! and Appledore closed (link)

Train RunningCancelled
16:54 Cardiff Central to London Paddington
17:54 Cardiff Central to London Paddington
17:57 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street
18:37 Westbury to Swindon
19:33 London Paddington to Worcester Shrub Hill
20:13 Swindon to Westbury
20:56 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington
Short Run
14:49 Plymouth to Cardiff Central
15:10 Gloucester to Weymouth
15:15 Plymouth to London Paddington
15:23 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central
15:30 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
15:42 Exeter St Davids to London Paddington
16:19 Carmarthen to London Paddington
16:23 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central
16:35 London Paddington to Plymouth
16:50 Plymouth to London Paddington
17:03 London Paddington to Penzance
17:30 London Paddington to Taunton
17:36 Swindon to Westbury
Delayed
12:15 Penzance to London Paddington
13:59 Cardiff Central to Penzance
14:15 Penzance to London Paddington
14:30 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
14:36 London Paddington to Paignton
15:03 London Paddington to Penzance
16:03 London Paddington to Penzance
Additional 17:17 Exeter St Davids to Penzance
PollsOpen and recent polls
Closed 2024-03-25 Easter Escape - to where?
Abbreviation pageAcronymns and abbreviations
Stn ComparatorStation Comparator
Rail newsNews Now - live rail news feed
Site Style 1 2 3 4
Next departures • Bristol Temple MeadsBath SpaChippenhamSwindonDidcot ParkwayReadingLondon PaddingtonMelksham
Exeter St DavidsTauntonWestburyTrowbridgeBristol ParkwayCardiff CentralOxfordCheltenham SpaBirmingham New Street
March 28, 2024, 17:51:14 *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Forgotten your username or password? - get a reminder
Most recently liked subjects
[133] West Wiltshire Bus Changes April 2024
[132] would you like your own LIVE train station departure board?
[53] Return of the BRUTE?
[44] If not HS2 to Manchester, how will traffic be carried?
[41] Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption el...
[32] Reversing Beeching - bring heritage and freight lines into the...
 
News: the Great Western Coffee Shop ... keeping you up to date with travel around the South West
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: Bristol - London improvements  (Read 8429 times)
bradshaw
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 1450



View Profile
« on: December 18, 2017, 18:37:52 »

This popped up on Twitter just now.

https://www.built-environment-networking.com/bristol-london-transport-links-transformed-quicker/

Not sure if this is the right place, please feel free to move
Logged
SandTEngineer
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 3485


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2017, 20:31:54 »

How does replacing the signals 'like for like' increase line capacity....... Roll Eyes Tongue
Logged
Oberon
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 186


View Profile
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2017, 21:29:26 »

It doesn't; this all seems to be little more than pointless spin. If they really want to improve things around Bristol the powers that be would a) complete the half-hearted electrification programme, and b) announce that when Bristol's power box is made redundant the Brunel train shed behind it really will not remain derelict, as I suspect it will, but be swiftly (haha) transformed into a smart new terminus for Paddington bound services via Filton.

One can but dream..
Logged
martyjon
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 1941


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2018, 18:59:01 »

This afternoon on JourneyCheck I noticed 4 HSS (High Speed Services) amended ; -

This service will be 5 coaches instead of 10.

This is due to a shortage of train drivers.

Me thinks there is a wee bit of telling porky pies here as it only needs ONE driver to drive a train be it 5 coaches or 10.

You couldn't make it up if you tried.
Logged
phile
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1382

Language spoken Welsh as well as English


View Profile Email
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2018, 20:02:54 »

This afternoon on JourneyCheck I noticed 4 HSS (High Speed Services) amended ; -

This service will be 5 coaches instead of 10.

This is due to a shortage of train drivers.

Me thinks there is a wee bit of telling porky pies here as it only needs ONE driver to drive a train be it 5 coaches or 10.

You couldn't make it up if you tried.

Somebody has tweeted GWR (Great Western Railway) to ask this question and reply stated error, should have read member of staff.   So that explains it just as we thought.
Logged
SandTEngineer
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 3485


View Profile
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2018, 18:29:29 »

So Bristol never had direct trains to London then...... Roll Eyes
https://www.networkrail.co.uk/feeds/rail-travel-in-bristol-to-be-transformed-with-direct-services-to-london-from-2019/

I'm really getting fed up with all this NR» (Network Rail - home page) 'spin'.......it's as though we never did any major signalling upgrades in the past (WCML (West Coast Main Line) comes to mind).

Edit to Add: ...and as I mentioned previously, this isn't a resignalling it's a re-control, with mostly the same signals in the same positions, so it will give exactly the same headways as today.  How can that be classed as an improvement.... Roll Eyes
« Last Edit: February 07, 2018, 18:35:33 by SandTEngineer » Logged
Bmblbzzz
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 4256


View Profile
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2018, 18:38:15 »

So Bristol never had direct trains to London then...... Roll Eyes
https://www.networkrail.co.uk/feeds/rail-travel-in-bristol-to-be-transformed-with-direct-services-to-london-from-2019/

I'm really getting fed up with all this NR» (Network Rail - home page) 'spin'.......it's as though we never did any major signalling upgrades in the past (WCML (West Coast Main Line) comes to mind).
Quote
Passenger journeys from Bristol will be transformed from next year with two direct services per hour to London, with reduced journey times by up to 17 minutes on newer better trains with 24% more capacity.
Weren't we promised four per hour?
Logged

Waiting at Pilning for the midnight sleeper to Prague.
ellendune
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 4452


View Profile
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2018, 20:54:28 »

I think they man two extra
Logged
IndustryInsider
Data Manager
Hero Member
******
Posts: 10095


View Profile
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2018, 22:41:28 »

Later in the article it states seven trains an hour between Bristol and London.  Obviously that includes the Parkway only ones to and from South Wales, but even then I thought only six were planned?
Logged

To view my GWML (Great Western Main Line) Electrification cab video 'before and after' video comparison, as well as other videos of the new layout at Reading and 'before and after' comparisons of the Cotswold Line Redoubling scheme, see: http://www.dailymotion.com/user/IndustryInsider/
paul7575
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 5316


View Profile
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2018, 22:58:55 »

The 2015 GWR (Great Western Railway) franchise brief pamphlet does show a ‘line diagram’ with up to 4 trains through Parkway and up to 3 trains through Bath, but only if you ignore the explanatory notes that some destinations change between routes depending on peak or off peak.  It doesn’t show 7 in total any or every hour...

Or put another way it only shows 6 trains west of Swindon...

The sort of mistake made if you don’t read the details...

Paul.
Logged
Bmblbzzz
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 4256


View Profile
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2018, 09:32:16 »

I thought it was to be 2 from Temple Meads via Bath, 2 from Temple Meads via Parkway and 2 from S. Wales via Parkway. But it could have changed or I could have been wrong in the first place.
Logged

Waiting at Pilning for the midnight sleeper to Prague.
paul7575
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 5316


View Profile
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2018, 15:22:59 »

I thought it was to be 2 from Temple Meads via Bath, 2 from Temple Meads via Parkway and 2 from S. Wales via Parkway. But it could have changed or I could have been wrong in the first place.
It was shown that way in the 2015 brief, but only in the off-peak periods.   In the peak periods (shown as thinner lines) one of the Bristol via Parkway services re-routes via Bath, and the other re-routes to South Wales.   The peak variations summarise as 3 tph to/from South Wales, and 3 tph Bristol via Bath.  Still 6 in total...

Paul
Logged
IndustryInsider
Data Manager
Hero Member
******
Posts: 10095


View Profile
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2018, 20:03:21 »

Perhaps they’re counting each train that calls at Parkway and Temple Meads as two services.   Wink

I know the maths still doesn’t add up, but I’d put nothing past the GWR (Great Western Railway) spin machine these days!
Logged

To view my GWML (Great Western Main Line) Electrification cab video 'before and after' video comparison, as well as other videos of the new layout at Reading and 'before and after' comparisons of the Cotswold Line Redoubling scheme, see: http://www.dailymotion.com/user/IndustryInsider/
Do you have something you would like to add to this thread, or would you like to raise a new question at the Coffee Shop? Please [register] (it is free) if you have not done so before, or login (at the top of this page) if you already have an account - we would love to read what you have to say!

You can find out more about how this forum works [here] - that will link you to a copy of the forum agreement that you can read before you join, and tell you very much more about how we operate. We are an independent forum, provided and run by customers of Great Western Railway, for customers of Great Western Railway and we welcome railway professionals as members too, in either a personal or official capacity. Views expressed in posts are not necessarily the views of the operators of the forum.

As well as posting messages onto existing threads, and starting new subjects, members can communicate with each other through personal messages if they wish. And once members have made a certain number of posts, they will automatically be admitted to the "frequent posters club", where subjects not-for-public-domain are discussed; anything from the occasional rant to meetups we may be having ...

 
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
This forum is provided by customers of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western), and the views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules (email link to report). Forum hosted by Well House Consultants

Jump to top of pageJump to Forum Home Page