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Author Topic: Person trapped and dragged, Notting Hill Gate station - 31 Jan 2018  (Read 2222 times)
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« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2018, 06:18:48 pm »

Censored - the editor of the Metro has been informed it is perpetrating FAKE news.
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« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2018, 07:12:05 pm »


CJB666 - you appear to be making a suggestion that there was a deliberate act by someone to leave a person (or her guide dog) dead.  I see no such suggestion of foul play in the article.  Could you clarify please?  Were you there?

Under your forum agreement, you promise that you will not post information which is false or inaccurate - please follow up in such a way that confirms you have not done so.  Whilst it is not always easy to confirm something early on errors will occasionally be made, this forum isn't the home for stretching what we know to the point of it becoming FAKE NEWS.
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« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2018, 10:23:28 am »

Regardless of the ever so slightly OTT comment, it is a valid concern. If we are going to rely on drivers to self dispatch, and this practice is going to be expanded across more of the heavy rail mainline network (as seems to be the case), then surely systems and processes need to be in place to ensure this doesn't happen? Isn't the driver supposed to be monitoring the doors on departure from stations in a DOO situation (which is essentially what the Tube is).
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« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2018, 12:29:16 pm »

Regardless of the ever so slightly OTT comment, it is a valid concern. If we are going to rely on drivers to self dispatch, and this practice is going to be expanded across more of the heavy rail mainline network (as seems to be the case), then surely systems and processes need to be in place to ensure this doesn't happen? Isn't the driver supposed to be monitoring the doors on departure from stations in a DOO situation (which is essentially what the Tube is).
No no no - musn't discuss this here. DOO is so very safe - even if the drivers are blind. No-one ever gets dragged and killed by trains. Its all FAKE news. Really.
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« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2018, 12:50:57 pm »

To be fair as I see it this subject is quite ok to be discussed on here .
However what is Not On is the inference that any of the incidents that have been mentioned here were deliberate attempts to cause harm to members of the traveling public or their livestock ,it's not big it's not clever and it's certainly not remotely humorous. WP.
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« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2018, 04:03:21 pm »

There is definitely room for some healthy discussion on DOO on this thread (itís clearly not perfect in all situations, which will no doubt be improved on).

I do question some of the comments made on these threads at times though. Having read the article (still available in quotes above) the editor and the metro itself donít seem to be making any outlandish comments.  Huh
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« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2018, 04:17:59 pm »

Indeed. The only outlandish comment came from one contributor to this thread.
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« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2018, 06:54:10 pm »

The whole basis of rail safety since the foundation of the Railway Inspectorate - and indeed safety in other industries following that - has been to identify safe systems of working that reduce the likelihood of an accident.  When a prosecution culture has intervened this has generally got in the way of understanding what went wrong.  While individuals need to be vigilant, they must not be put in a position where they are put in a situation where their job is impossible to do without the railway coming to a halt. So if they cannot see properly due to their position, or poor CCTV images or a crowded platform that is a systems failure. 

It seems to me that DOO started when the railway was used less and its use has expanded as pressures to keep to time on dense service patterns and more crowding on platforms has increased. Sometimes the rail unions may over use the safety argument, but in the this instance I think the industry needs to call a halt to further DOO and review the circumstances where it is appropriate, the role of platform staff and the quality of the equipment available to make allow it to be done safely.

When this has been done existing DOO operations should be reviewed in the light of new guidance and only then should there be further roll outs of DOO.

 
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« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2018, 09:32:14 am »

A member of staff on each platform where DOO operates would be cheaper to implement that another staff member on each train?
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« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2018, 06:01:04 pm »

A member of staff on each platform where DOO operates would be cheaper to implement that another staff member on each train?

I think that might be at least part of the solution - it may only need to be at busy stations and at busy times at other stations.  Better quality video may also be part of the solution. 

However if there are other reasons to have a person on the train...

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