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« Reply #45 on: June 25, 2018, 08:54:19 »

A little postscript to this.

My main gripes were that there seems to be no way of finding out about planned stock substitutions (which are not, apparently, short-formations even if the published timetable says the service will be an IET (Intercity Express Train)/HST (High Speed Train) whereas it will actually be a Turbo), and that GWR (Great Western Railway) offers and allocates seat reservations on these services even though they won't be honoured.

As a point of principle, since both my morning and evening trains were affected by such stock changes, I decided to make seat reservations and subsequently put in a claim for compensation for the days when seats weren't available. I was pleasantly surprised that this claim was accepted without quibble and, on Saturday, I received a very generous cheque.

Given I did this to make a point and that I choose to stand anyway, I will be giving this money to charity.
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« Reply #46 on: June 26, 2018, 08:09:22 »

I will be giving this money to charity.

Donation made - GWR (Great Western Railway) are working with Action for Children "to support the mental health of the UK (United Kingdom)’s most disadvantaged children" so that seemed the appropriate charity to receive my compensation money.

https://www.gwr.com/about-us/supporting-our-community/charity-support

https://www.actionforchildren.org.uk/
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« Reply #47 on: June 29, 2018, 07:08:36 »

looks like there are a lot of formation changes today. 63 currently showing on journey checker.
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« Reply #48 on: June 29, 2018, 08:42:59 »

75 now...……….….minus this one!  Huh


17:12 London Paddington to Reading due 18:08


Facilities on the 17:12 London Paddington to Reading due 18:08.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
This train will now be formed of the usual number of coaches.
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« Reply #49 on: June 29, 2018, 09:38:25 »

75 now...……….….minus this one!  Huh
Mostly 'West' local fleet trains in need of some TLC (three letter code ). Lets hope they can get more out tomorrow as I have a feeling the 'Weymouths' and local services in Devon and Cornwall will be rather busy.
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« Reply #50 on: June 29, 2018, 09:40:24 »

75 now...……….….minus this one!  Huh
Mostly 'West' local fleet trains in need of some TLC (three letter code ). Lets hope they can get more out tomorrow as I have a feeling the 'Weymouths' and local services in Devon and Cornwall will be rather busy.

If they don't need as many HSTs (High Speed Train) as on Mondays to Fridays, perhaps they could send one to Weymouth  Grin  Grin and relieve pressure elsewhere?
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« Reply #51 on: June 29, 2018, 18:29:47 »

Lots of short formations recently. Is this the aftermath of more GWR (Great Western Railway) trains being placed elsewhere on the NR» (Network Rail - home page) network. Surely not all out for maintenance?
Mostly 'West' local fleet trains in need of some TLC (three letter code ).

With 7 of GWR's 12 153s all disappearing elsewhere this weekend, life could get very interesting!
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« Reply #52 on: June 29, 2018, 20:24:57 »

Lots of short formations recently. Is this the aftermath of more GWR (Great Western Railway) trains being placed elsewhere on the NR» (Network Rail - home page) network. Surely not all out for maintenance?
Mostly 'West' local fleet trains in need of some TLC (three letter code ).

With 7 of GWR's 12 153s all disappearing elsewhere this weekend, life could get very interesting!

I understand that there will be 2 diagrams for 2 car 165s from Bristol as from Monday, so there is incoming 'new' stock.  If those 2 car 165s displace 3 car 166s of diagrams that don't need 3 cars ...

Of course, you can't drop 1 carriage off the back of a 3 car 166 like you can off a 150 + 153 combo, so there's another constraint added to the puzzle.
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« Reply #53 on: June 29, 2018, 22:21:24 »

Lots of short formations recently. Is this the aftermath of more GWR (Great Western Railway) trains being placed elsewhere on the NR» (Network Rail - home page) network. Surely not all out for maintenance?
Mostly 'West' local fleet trains in need of some TLC (three letter code ).

With 7 of GWR's 12 153s all disappearing elsewhere this weekend, life could get very interesting!

6 disappearing, 2 to Northern and 4 to EMT» (East Midlands Trains - about).    3 have already gone from an original allocation of 14 leaving 5 still with GWR for now
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« Reply #54 on: June 30, 2018, 07:43:30 »

Isn’t it amazing or more like sad that in 2018 TOCs (Train Operating Company) are playing musical trains, part of which involves handful of 30 year old single carriage trains just to give a bit of extra capacity rather than build enough new trains to replace all 30+ year old local train rolling stock. It won’t go on forever.
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« Reply #55 on: June 30, 2018, 08:01:37 »

Well, nationwide at least, there are a huge number of new trains being built, and a large number of trains that are far from the end of their lives being faced with the threat of the cutters torch in a couple of years time.  The nature of the industry means it’ll never be perfect.
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« Reply #56 on: June 30, 2018, 13:26:13 »

Lots of short formations recently. Is this the aftermath of more GWR (Great Western Railway) trains being placed elsewhere on the NR» (Network Rail - home page) network. Surely not all out for maintenance?
Mostly 'West' local fleet trains in need of some TLC (three letter code ).

With 7 of GWR's 12 153s all disappearing elsewhere this weekend, life could get very interesting!

6 disappearing this weekend, 2 to Northern and 4 to EMT» (East Midlands Trains - about).   Up until and since the 3 went to Northern a few weeks ago, there were 11 remaining.   5 still remaining until next year when they go Wales and Borders, 1 each for the GWR Group going on a journey
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« Reply #57 on: June 30, 2018, 20:15:22 »

Does anyone have a programme for the cascade and a list showing the fleet availability?
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« Reply #58 on: July 01, 2018, 07:24:07 »

Lots of short formations recently. Is this the aftermath of more GWR (Great Western Railway) trains being placed elsewhere on the NR» (Network Rail - home page) network. Surely not all out for maintenance?
Mostly 'West' local fleet trains in need of some TLC (three letter code ).

With 7 of GWR's 12 153s all disappearing elsewhere this weekend, life could get very interesting!

6 disappearing this weekend, 2 to Northern and 4 to EMT» (East Midlands Trains - about).   Up until and since the 3 went to Northern a few weeks ago, there were 11 remaining.   5 still remaining until next year when they go Wales and Borders, 1 each for the GWR Group going on a journey

I must admit I have a soft spot for the 153s - as I did for the class 121 Bubble cars.   I have travelled on all 14 153s allocated to GWR (153305, 153318, 153325, 153329, 153333, 153361, 153368-153370, 153372-153373, 153377, 153380, 153382) largely because of their appearance on the TransWilts line but also when used to strengthen services in the South West.  Even went to Portbury Dock on one (153380)!
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