Train Graphic
Great Western Passengers' Forum Great Western Coffee Shop - [home] and [about]
Read about the forum [here].
Register and contribute [here] - it's free.
 tomorrow - Acton Depot open weekend
tomorrow - Somersts Festival of Transport
23/09/2018 - Somerset Consultation closes
24/09/2018 - Bus consultation closes
24/09/2018 - RCTS / Windsor & Maidenhead
28/09/2018 - Ask a stupid question day
Random Image
Train Running @GWR Twitter Acronyms/Abbreviations Station Comparator Rail News GWR co. site Site Style 1 2 3 4 Chat on off
September 21, 2018, 01:26:49 am *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Forgotten your username or password? - get a reminder
Most liked recent subjects
[125] Walking Britain's Lost Railways
[68] Great Western Railway: on-board catering, buffets, Travelling ...
[49] Somerset & Dorset - heritage line - the remains and possib...
[46] Ask those questions!
[44] Another Bristol Parkway Closure - for three weeks
[41] Princes Risborough to Chinnor
News: A forum for passengers ... with input from rail professionals welcomed too
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: Airport connections  (Read 786 times)
grahame
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 21798



View Profile WWW Email
« on: April 18, 2018, 01:57:08 pm »

Direct airport services - becoming ever more important and useful?

From Plymouth Herald

Quote
Plymouth needs a railway linking the city straight to Exeter airport, says the outgoing head of Devon Chamber of Commerce.

George Cowcher, who has just announced he is to stand down at the end of June 2018, said that whatever happens to Plymouth’s former airport site, Plymouth will never have the air connectivity enjoyed by the county’s capital.

He said therefore the city, and region, should push for a rail link which would take travellers from Plymouth to Exeter airport.

From Cambridge News

Quote
The changes mean it will be easier for holidaymakers to get away, with more direct Thameslink services from Cambridge to Brighton via Gatwick - currently there is only one service a day.

Passengers will be able to get on a brand new train at Cambridge Station, and not get off until they reach the airport or the seaside town.

There will also be a new direct Thameslink service from Peterborough to Horsham via London Bridge and Gatwick Airport.

Might there be great sense in extending the Gatwick to Reading service on to Oxford, and the Southampton Airport to Salisbury service on to Swindon?
Logged

Coffee Shop Admin, Member of Melksham Rail User Group, on the board of TravelWatch SouthWest and some more things besides
Bob_Blakey
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 339


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2018, 02:44:05 pm »

Direct airport services - becoming ever more important and useful?

From Plymouth Herald

Quote
Plymouth needs a railway linking the city straight to Exeter airport.....

This is just never going to happen; for those travelling by road the access to Exeter Airport via the M5/A30 is already pretty good. An essentially hourly EXD><Airport bus service (Stagecoach 56) for onward transportation of rail pax is almost certainly sufficient for the foreseeable future.
Had the proposal to move the passenger terminal infrastructure to the northern side of the airport proceeded then perhaps a dedicated bus/tram/monorail ( Grin) link from/to Cranbrook would have been a possibility. Even then there would have to be a major alteration to the Devon Metro service as currently defined to provide any through rail journeys. 
Logged
TaplowGreen
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 3898


View Profile
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2018, 04:26:25 pm »

Plymouth needs its airport back!
Logged
SandTEngineer
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 2266


In a Linemans Hut in the far Southwest


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2018, 06:50:08 pm »

Plymouth needs its airport back!
No it doesn't........ Tongue  The city has coped OK since its closure and we really need affordable homes to be built on the site.
Logged

Out of this nettle, Danger, we pluck this flower, Safety.
[Henry IV, Part 1, Act 2, Scene 3]
TaplowGreen
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 3898


View Profile
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2018, 07:46:14 pm »

Plymouth needs its airport back!
No it doesn't........ Tongue  The city has coped OK since its closure and we really need affordable homes to be built on the site.

You're confusing two different issues. More housing in Plymouth and an airport are not mutually exclusive. Have you heard of Sherford?

Personally I'd like to see Plymouth do better than just "cope OK", an airport with swift links to London and beyond is key to that.
Logged
SandTEngineer
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 2266


In a Linemans Hut in the far Southwest


View Profile
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2018, 09:31:09 pm »

If Luton can do it why can't Exeter or Bristol......

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2018-04-17/work-begins-on-new-225-million-rail-link-at-luton-airport/
« Last Edit: April 18, 2018, 10:10:33 pm by SandTEngineer » Logged

Out of this nettle, Danger, we pluck this flower, Safety.
[Henry IV, Part 1, Act 2, Scene 3]
SandTEngineer
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 2266


In a Linemans Hut in the far Southwest


View Profile
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2018, 10:14:05 pm »

Plymouth needs its airport back!
No it doesn't........ Tongue  The city has coped OK since its closure and we really need affordable homes to be built on the site.

You're confusing two different issues. More housing in Plymouth and an airport are not mutually exclusive. Have you heard of Sherford?

Personally I'd like to see Plymouth do better than just "cope OK", an airport with swift links to London and beyond is key to that.

Well, at one time I used to regularly fly from Plymouth to Heathrow on my way to Central London.  Taking into account check-in time, flight time, circulating Heathrow waiting to land and travelling to Central London took more than the 2 hours 57 minutes that the Golden Hind used to do the trip in.... Tongue

...and yes, I do know where Sherford is thank you... Shocked
Logged

Out of this nettle, Danger, we pluck this flower, Safety.
[Henry IV, Part 1, Act 2, Scene 3]
TaplowGreen
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 3898


View Profile
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2018, 08:25:31 am »

Plymouth needs its airport back!
No it doesn't........ Tongue  The city has coped OK since its closure and we really need affordable homes to be built on the site.

You're confusing two different issues. More housing in Plymouth and an airport are not mutually exclusive. Have you heard of Sherford?

Personally I'd like to see Plymouth do better than just "cope OK", an airport with swift links to London and beyond is key to that.

Well, at one time I used to regularly fly from Plymouth to Heathrow on my way to Central London.  Taking into account check-in time, flight time, circulating Heathrow waiting to land and travelling to Central London took more than the 2 hours 57 minutes that the Golden Hind used to do the trip in.... Tongue

...and yes, I do know where Sherford is thank you... Shocked

Blimey Plymouth to Heathrow? Must be almost 20 years ago?

Latterly, the London City airport route was hugely successful, I remember leaving my office and being back in Plymouth within 2 hours...........
Logged
IndustryInsider
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 6648


View Profile
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2018, 10:12:40 am »

Latterly, the London City airport route was hugely successful, I remember leaving my office and being back in Plymouth within 2 hours...........

Presumably not successful enough to be financially viable for any carriers though?

Always a shame when transport links are cut of course.  An often overlooked benefit of the rail franchise model is that routes and services (including marginal and loss making but socially beneficial ones) HAVE to be provided at a specified level by the operator with very few exceptions.  So there’s an element of security that you increasingly don’t get with many air and rural bus routes.
Logged

To view my cab run over the new Reading Viaduct as well as a relief line cab ride at Reading just after Platforms 12-15 opened and my 'before and after' video comparison of the Cotswold Line Redoubling scheme, see: http://www.dailymotion.com/user/IndustryInsider/1
TaplowGreen
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 3898


View Profile
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2018, 10:34:20 am »

Latterly, the London City airport route was hugely successful, I remember leaving my office and being back in Plymouth within 2 hours...........

Presumably not successful enough to be financially viable for any carriers though?

Always a shame when transport links are cut of course.  An often overlooked benefit of the rail franchise model is that routes and services (including marginal and loss making but socially beneficial ones) HAVE to be provided at a specified level by the operator with very few exceptions.  So there’s an element of security that you increasingly don’t get with many air and rural bus routes.

That route was extremely viable and the airport was one of the few experiencing growth in 2009 but the shortsightedness of letting the London slots go finished it - along with local politics/Sutton Harbour Holdings "priorities" (the less said about SHH the better)

4 out of 5 local businesses supported maintaining the airport for the good of the city and only one third of those surveyed felt that rail/road links are adequate for a City of Plymouth's size.

Exeter airport has picked up the slack and good luck to them but it's very much to the detriment of the economy of Plymouth that the airport closed.
Logged
IndustryInsider
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 6648


View Profile
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2018, 10:40:48 am »

I guess those survey figures are what you’d expect.  Very few local businesses are going to vote ‘no’ to a local airport staying open.  Who let the London slots go?  Is it a case of the airports operator having a hidden agenda?
Logged

To view my cab run over the new Reading Viaduct as well as a relief line cab ride at Reading just after Platforms 12-15 opened and my 'before and after' video comparison of the Cotswold Line Redoubling scheme, see: http://www.dailymotion.com/user/IndustryInsider/1
Phantom
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 127



View Profile Email
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2018, 11:16:57 am »


Because EasyJet are willing to chuck large amounts of money at their showpiece airport?
Logged
Timmer
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 4732


View Profile
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2018, 11:35:04 am »

Because EasyJet are willing to chuck large amounts of money at their showpiece airport?
Trust me if you've used Luton Airport you know it needs all the money it can throw at it which to be fair is exactly what's happening and things are improving. Having a rail link to the airport is a massive plus for them.
Logged
Do you have something you would like to add to this thread, or would you like to raise a new question at the Coffee Shop? Please [register] (it is free) if you have not done so before, or login (at the top of this page) if you already have an account - we would love to read what you have to say!

You can find out more about how this forum works [here] - that will link you to a copy of the forum agreement that you can read before you join, and tell you very much more about how we operate. We are an independent forum, provided and run by customers of Great Western Railway, for customers of Great Western Railway and we welcome railway professionals as members too, in either a personal or official capacity. Views expressed in posts are not necessarily the views of the operators of the forum.

As well as posting messages onto existing threads, and starting new subjects, members can communicate with each other through personal messages if they wish. And once members have made a certain number of posts, they will automatically be admitted to the "frequent posters club", where subjects not-for-public-domain are discussed; anything from the occasional rant to meetups we may be having ...

 
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
This forum is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western), and the views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules (email link). Forum hosted by Well House Consultants