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« on: April 20, 2018, 12:01:23 am »

Could Cardiff to Taunton, 165/166's ever be extended to Exeter or even Paignton? I know there are gauging issues, but most of the line to Penzance was built during broad gauge anyway.
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2018, 09:46:22 am »

Could Cardiff to Taunton, 165/166's ever be extended to Exeter or even Paignton? I know there are gauging issues, but most of the line to Penzance was built during broad gauge anyway.

There was a gauging run to Exeter St Davids yesterday and which checked platforms round the station, but don't think there are any plans to run beyond.   There wouldn't be enough of them to be able to run everywhere.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2018, 12:37:48 pm »

I understood that the XC trains and the London, Taunton, Plymouth/Penzance services were considered to provide sufficient capacity from Taunton into Devon and therefore there would be fewer Bristol/Cardiff, Exeter services in future.
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2018, 04:01:33 pm »

Could Cardiff to Taunton, 165/166's ever be extended to Exeter or even Paignton? I know there are gauging issues, but most of the line to Penzance was built during broad gauge anyway.

That's a helluva journey on a train designed for shorter commuter runs..........really I don't think you'd be very comfortable!
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2018, 04:19:32 pm »

Unfortunately it is proposed to use them on the Cardiff Portsmouth service which is also a long journey with a significant proportion of long distance passengers, often with a lot of luggage.
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2018, 04:55:33 pm »

Unfortunately it is proposed to use them on the Cardiff Portsmouth service which is also a long journey with a significant proportion of long distance passengers, often with a lot of luggage.
I wish they weren’t as I believe this route deserves better rolling stock but the Turbos are going to provide a much needed increase in capacity; something this route has needed for a very long time.

The 158’s have been the best rolling stock used on this route, except for the class 33s and coaches of course  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2018, 05:25:47 pm »

I'm sure GWR would argue that Cardiff to Portsmouth, or Cardiff to Devon/Cornwall isn't really that different, journey time wise, to Paddington to Great Malvern/Hereford. A journey that Class 165/166s have done regularly for 20+ years.
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2018, 05:41:35 pm »

Could Cardiff to Taunton, 165/166's ever be extended to Exeter or even Paignton? I know there are gauging issues, but most of the line to Penzance was built during broad gauge anyway.

There was a gauging run to Exeter St Davids yesterday and which checked platforms round the station, but don't think there are any plans to run beyond.   There wouldn't be enough of them to be able to run everywhere.
It is however still intended to gauge clear Turbos to Plymouth & Penzance, and the Gunnislake and St Ives branches, at least according to the March 2018 enhancement plans update.  I make no comment on actual services.

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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2018, 08:48:30 pm »

Could Cardiff to Taunton, 165/166's ever be extended to Exeter or even Paignton? I know there are gauging issues, but most of the line to Penzance was built during broad gauge anyway.

There was a gauging run to Exeter St Davids yesterday and which checked platforms round the station, but don't think there are any plans to run beyond.   There wouldn't be enough of them to be able to run everywhere.
It is however still intended to gauge clear Turbos to Plymouth & Penzance, and the Gunnislake and St Ives branches, at least according to the March 2018 enhancement plans update.  I make no comment on actual services.

Paul

Last I heard all gauging work for Turbos west of Newton Abbot had been cancelled.
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2018, 02:16:46 pm »

Could Cardiff to Taunton, 165/166's ever be extended to Exeter or even Paignton? I know there are gauging issues, but most of the line to Penzance was built during broad gauge anyway.

There was a gauging run to Exeter St Davids yesterday and which checked platforms round the station, but don't think there are any plans to run beyond.   There wouldn't be enough of them to be able to run everywhere.
It is however still intended to gauge clear Turbos to Plymouth & Penzance, and the Gunnislake and St Ives branches, at least according to the March 2018 enhancement plans update.  I make no comment on actual services.

Paul

Didn't think 165/166's where allowed over the Royal Albert Bridge because of gauging? But I suppose they allow GWR King's and the IET's over so..
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2018, 02:56:48 pm »

Didn't think 165/166's where allowed over the Royal Albert Bridge because of gauging? But I suppose they allow GWR King's and the IET's over so..
Nowadays gauge clearance checks would only ever commence when they are first seen to be a requirement.  So “not cleared” in a sectional appendix doesn’t necessarily mean a particular stock cannot ever be cleared, it’s equally likely that it isn’t cleared because it just hasn’t been attempted yet.

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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2018, 03:24:57 pm »

Didn't think 165/166's where allowed over the Royal Albert Bridge because of gauging? But I suppose they allow GWR King's and the IET's over so..

I thought that Kings were never allowed over the Royal Albert Bridge in old GWR days.
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2018, 04:01:50 pm »

I'm sure GWR would argue that Cardiff to Portsmouth, or Cardiff to Devon/Cornwall isn't really that different, journey time wise, to Paddington to Great Malvern/Hereford. A journey that Class 165/166s have done regularly for 20+ years.
And similar stock does similar type of journeys all over the country, including Birmingham to Liverpool which often produces Class 350/2 units.

Maybe I'm just happy with whatever as long as I get a seat. Having grown up using the old 1970s Tube stock, pretty much everything on National Rail is almost luxury in comparison Lips sealed .
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2018, 04:38:39 pm »

Didn't think 165/166's where allowed over the Royal Albert Bridge because of gauging? But I suppose they allow GWR King's and the IET's over so..

I thought that Kings were never allowed over the Royal Albert Bridge in old GWR days.
As did I.
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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2018, 07:30:58 am »



I thought that Kings were never allowed over the Royal Albert Bridge in old GWR days.
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That was the rumour. I saw a King quietly steaming away in the remnants of Truro shed in the final year of steam, rather dirty and looking rather lost on a Sunday evening.  Took me by surprise as I also believed they were not permitted down West.
Was on my way back to College many years ago.
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