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« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2018, 07:52:41 pm »

Inevitable the new timetable will delayed or staggered. The whole electrification project is so far behind the original planned completion dates what’s another six months.

But December 2019 is already a year later than the original "new" IET timetable, SLC3a.

Ignore that - I was thinking that date had already been delayed, I'm not sure why!

But the SLC (now SLC3b) does not say anything about a timetable in the sense of the actual train times. It defines the service frequencies, which can't be increased to meet the SLC without some quite major changes. However, there aren't the same brand new end-to-end routes that GTR had, needing a whole set of newly route-trained drivers. Hence the preparation is easier, and also the scope for gradual change to new timings is a lot greater.

The original delivery schedule said GWR should have its full fleet of IETs available on 6th July 2018 - 5 months from T-day. So question 1 is: was that ever a feasible timescale, given the first train available on MARA terms, and the end of the trainer training programme, were due on 8 June 2017?

Question 2 is about the delay in IET availability. Presumably there were at least 4 (common sense says several more) on October 16th 2017 when they started in "service". By then there were scheduled to be 20, delivered at 1 per week, suggesting a delay of 3 months or a bit less. However, what is the subsequent position? I've not seen any clear indication, but I suspect they are further behind overall, whenever the first 9-car became available.

In any case there is a question 3, to do with what else affects the conversion process - like lack of HSTs or overall driver numbers.



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« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2018, 07:57:05 pm »

There's a (GWR, I believe) timetable planner who posts anonymously on another rail forum. He's intimated that the planned new timetable introduction is slipping.
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« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2018, 10:38:01 pm »

.......well doesn't that just take the cake.....



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44415339
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« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2018, 11:24:00 pm »

.......well doesn't that just take the cake.....



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44415339

Chocolate cake ?
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« Reply #49 on: June 09, 2018, 03:55:44 am »

.......well doesn't that just take the cake.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44415339

Chocolate cake ?

With hi=viz orange icing too ?
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« Reply #50 on: Yesterday at 08:38:17 pm »

Here's an analysis of what went wrong with the May timetable change

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What went wrong?

The May timetable change should have been good news, and in many cases it is - it ushers in one of the biggest increases in capacity in our railway's history, with additional space and travel opportunities for tens of thousands more passengers.  In many places, the new timetable is already delivering benefits, with 8 out of 10 trains running as planned overall.

However, in two parts of the country - across the Thameslink network in the South-East, and the Northern network across the North - there has been significant disruption to passengers.  Collectively, the rail industry made promises to passengers that we have not yet been able to deliver fully, and collectively we apologise for letting passengers down.

The timetable change in May 2018 was four times bigger than normal.  This level of change depends on infrastructure upgrades, rolling stock to be available, drivers to be trained and crews to be rostered. Under normal circumstances, such a timetable change would be a massive, complex, piece of work. However on this occasion, the challenge has been compounded by several different factors:

In early 2018, the Government accepted the recommendation to ‘phase in’ the new Thameslink timetable, which meant a major re-write of the new timetable for the South East was required.

In January 2018, completion of the Manchester-Bolton electrification project was delayed, due to unforeseen poor ground conditions hampering progress. This meant the whole of the new timetable for the North would need to be re-written. Matters were compounded further by the collapse of Carillion.

In March 2018, the already very challenging situation was compounded by a delay in the planned arrival of new trains in Scotland, meaning major re-writes of the new timetable for Scotland and cross-border services.
In addition, a number of operators made late changes to their timetables during the ‘adjustment’ phase of timetable planning.

We delivered a base timetable as planned in November 2017.  But the sheer number of changes subsequently meant that the timetable process took a lot longer than planned. This meant that train companies had less time to prepare for the new timetable, meaning specialist training required could not be completed in time for drivers to learn all the new routes, or operate different trains for operators to address all the logistical challenges.  Some operators also have industrial relations issues, with a ban on overtime or working on rest days, which has led to crew shortages as the new timetable beds in.

From Network Rail at https://www.networkrail.co.uk/how-rail-timetabling-works/
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« Reply #51 on: Yesterday at 09:02:47 pm »

Here's an analysis of what went wrong with the May timetable change

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What went wrong?

The May timetable change should have been good news, and in many cases it is - it ushers in one of the biggest increases in capacity in our railway's history, with additional space and travel opportunities for tens of thousands more passengers.  In many places, the new timetable is already delivering benefits, with 8 out of 10 trains running as planned overall.

However, in two parts of the country - across the Thameslink network in the South-East, and the Northern network across the North - there has been significant disruption to passengers.  Collectively, the rail industry made promises to passengers that we have not yet been able to deliver fully, and collectively we apologise for letting passengers down.

The timetable change in May 2018 was four times bigger than normal.  This level of change depends on infrastructure upgrades, rolling stock to be available, drivers to be trained and crews to be rostered. Under normal circumstances, such a timetable change would be a massive, complex, piece of work. However on this occasion, the challenge has been compounded by several different factors:

In early 2018, the Government accepted the recommendation to ‘phase in’ the new Thameslink timetable, which meant a major re-write of the new timetable for the South East was required.

In January 2018, completion of the Manchester-Bolton electrification project was delayed, due to unforeseen poor ground conditions hampering progress. This meant the whole of the new timetable for the North would need to be re-written. Matters were compounded further by the collapse of Carillion.

In March 2018, the already very challenging situation was compounded by a delay in the planned arrival of new trains in Scotland, meaning major re-writes of the new timetable for Scotland and cross-border services.
In addition, a number of operators made late changes to their timetables during the ‘adjustment’ phase of timetable planning.

We delivered a base timetable as planned in November 2017.  But the sheer number of changes subsequently meant that the timetable process took a lot longer than planned. This meant that train companies had less time to prepare for the new timetable, meaning specialist training required could not be completed in time for drivers to learn all the new routes, or operate different trains for operators to address all the logistical challenges.  Some operators also have industrial relations issues, with a ban on overtime or working on rest days, which has led to crew shortages as the new timetable beds in.

From Network Rail at https://www.networkrail.co.uk/how-rail-timetabling-works/

Succinctly then, all round incompetence.
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« Reply #52 on: Yesterday at 09:10:15 pm »

You could have put that much more succinctly yourself, by selecting ‘reply’ rather than ‘quote’  Roll Eyes
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