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Author Topic: New Tube map includes Paddington via Hayes to Heathrow  (Read 1147 times)
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« on: May 24, 2018, 01:45:19 pm »

New London "Tube" map ... now includes Transport for London services that will become part of the Elizabeth Line.

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf



Now shows seven stations for Acton - how many stations does a town / suburb need ??
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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2018, 02:36:34 pm »

I wonder if the Tube Map is not approaching the limits of readability? It's good to have multiple options combined in one source but there comes a point when it's overwhelming, confusing, especially for people who don't know the city well (tourists, business visitors).
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2018, 02:41:23 pm »

I wonder if the Tube Map is not approaching the limits of readability? It's good to have multiple options combined in one source but there comes a point when it's overwhelming, confusing, especially for people who don't know the city well (tourists, business visitors).

No, that's the "London's Rail and Tube" map (previously "London Connections").
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2018, 03:04:33 pm »

I wonder if the Tube Map is not approaching the limits of readability? It's good to have multiple options combined in one source but there comes a point when it's overwhelming, confusing, especially for people who don't know the city well (tourists, business visitors).

No, that's the "London's Rail and Tube" map (previously "London Connections").

That's this ...



to compare within the same post:

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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2018, 03:35:12 pm »

I wonder if the Tube Map is not approaching the limits of readability? It's good to have multiple options combined in one source but there comes a point when it's overwhelming, confusing, especially for people who don't know the city well (tourists, business visitors).

No, that's the "London's Rail and Tube" map (previously "London Connections").

That's this ...

In case I was a bit too subtle there, I meant that "that" was the one that's complicated enough to be confusing - or hard to follow, anyway. (Though it does more of that a bit further east.)
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2018, 04:43:46 pm »

It shouldn't be called the Tube Map any more. If TfL really thinks it is useful to have a map of all services on rails that they operate to the exclusion of those operated by others they should go back to the practice of the 1956 map which just had a roundel with 'Railways' across it.

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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2018, 05:46:11 pm »

I wonder if the Tube Map is not approaching the limits of readability? It's good to have multiple options combined in one source but there comes a point when it's overwhelming, confusing, especially for people who don't know the city well (tourists, business visitors).

No, that's the "London's Rail and Tube" map (previously "London Connections").

That's this ...

In case I was a bit too subtle there, I meant that "that" was the one that's complicated enough to be confusing - or hard to follow, anyway. (Though it does more of that a bit further east.)
You were quite clear. It's the map that isn't (or might not be)!
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2018, 09:26:24 pm »

Notice the area around the Heathrow Terminals. In the older map it is quite complex trying to show the various validities of the services within / without the Central Area. The TfL Pic. IS valid for the Zone 6 Central Area, but HConn and HEX are NOT. In the latest map there doesn't seem to be any variations at all - apparently all services are valid for Zone 6.
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2018, 12:29:41 am »

Heathrow Express is not shown on the new TfL tube map. It is shown on the 'Rail & Tube' map with the legend/key (missing from the image extracts in this thread) making it clear that Oyster, Contactless and Travelcards are not valid on Heathrow Express between Paddington and Terminals 2&3.

All services except Heathrow Express are valid for Zone 6. Oyster and Contactless holders can use Heathrow Express between Terminals 2&3 and Terminal 5. Paper ticket holders with validity to Zone 6 can use Heathrow Express between T2/3 and T5 after obtaining a free Inter-Terminal Transfer ticket.

From September 2018 Oyster and Contactless will be accepted on Heathrow Express with special fares applying. No detail yet on the price of those fares.

One thing I have noticed with the inclusion of the TfL Rail line to Heathrow is the poor choice of colour on the 'Rail & Tube' map. The solid blue chosen is too close in hue to that of the Piccadilly Line. I think a better contrasting colour should have been used.
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2018, 01:52:27 am »

Heathrow Express is not shown on the new TfL tube map. It is shown on the 'Rail & Tube' map with the legend/key (missing from the image extracts in this thread) making it clear that Oyster, Contactless and Travelcards are not valid on Heathrow Express between Paddington and Terminals 2&3.

Full map and key at http://content.tfl.gov.uk/london-rail-and-tube-services-map.pdf

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All services except Heathrow Express are valid for Zone 6. Oyster and Contactless holders can use Heathrow Express between Terminals 2&3 and Terminal 5. Paper ticket holders with validity to Zone 6 can use Heathrow Express between T2/3 and T5 after obtaining a free Inter-Terminal Transfer ticket.


Clear from the "TfL Rail Map" at
http://content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-rail-map.pdf
which has (I think) been updated since I started this thread as it was earlier giving a duplicate of the above/

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One thing I have noticed with the inclusion of the TfL Rail line to Heathrow is the poor choice of colour on the 'Rail & Tube' map. The solid blue chosen is too close in hue to that of the Piccadilly Line. I think a better contrasting colour should have been used.

Agreed. Perhaps the purple of the Elizabeth Line (which it will become) is also unclear when used as a pair of outer lines with a white interior; is this a temporary colour?
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2018, 04:32:55 am »

This has something to say about The new map may be of interest
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=108s&v=RH-ghrfZHTQ
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2018, 03:06:35 pm »

So the free inter-terminal shuttles at LHR are now no more. So you now have to pay to go from Central to T4 & T5. That's a scam.
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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2018, 03:31:56 pm »

So the free inter-terminal shuttles at LHR are now no more. So you now have to pay to go from Central to T4 & T5. That's a scam.

Who told you that??

 ... from https://www.heathrow.com/airport-guide/getting-around-heathrow/travel-between-terminals

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Free shuttle trains run between Terminal 4 station (Platform 1) and Heathrow Central station (Terminals 2 & 3). There are four trains an hour. Please note from 20 May 2018, to travel on the shuttle trains, you can get a free Inter-Terminal Transfer ticket from the machines in the station. You can also use an Transport for London Oyster card or a contactless payment card which will not be charged when travelling between terminals.

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Free shuttle trains are free for travel between Terminal 5 station and Heathrow Central station (Terminals 2 & 3). Please note from 20 May 2018, to travel on the shuttle trains, you can get a free Inter-Terminal Transfer ticket from the machines in the station. You can also use an Transport for London Oyster card or a contactless payment card which will not be charged when travelling between terminals.
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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2018, 04:32:30 pm »

I wonder if the Tube Map is not approaching the limits of readability? It's good to have multiple options combined in one source but there comes a point when it's overwhelming, confusing, especially for people who don't know the city well (tourists, business visitors).

No, that's the "London's Rail and Tube" map (previously "London Connections").

That's this ...

In case I was a bit too subtle there, I meant that "that" was the one that's complicated enough to be confusing - or hard to follow, anyway. (Though it does more of that a bit further east.)

So you can't get from Terminals  2/3 to 5 except via the Underground Pic. line. That's what the map is saying. Confusing for tourists.
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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2018, 05:08:02 pm »

Paper ticket holders with validity to Zone 6 can use Heathrow Express between T2/3 and T5 after obtaining a free Inter-Terminal Transfer ticket.
Paper ticket holders to Zone 6, do not need Terminal Transfer tickets to transfer T2/3 to T5.

Confusion is being caused by Terminal 5 not appearing on the TfL Rail maps, because they imply that transfer between T2/3 and T5 is via the Piccadilly Line.

I was in the T2/3 station yesterday. There was chaos at the barrier gates every time a Hex train arrived. There was a lot of staff helping out, both Hex and Heathrow Passenger Ambassadors (purple jackets).

Transfer passengers were either being directed to the Transfer Ticket machine or being handed tickets by the staff.
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