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Question: What should be running From Ryde to Shanklin in 5 years time?  (Voting closed: June 26, 2018, 04:57:05 pm)
Current trains - 2 (7.7%)
Newer cascaded tubes - 11 (42.3%)
Next generation tube trains - 5 (19.2%)
Trams / light rail with streeet running - 7 (26.9%)
Buses - 0 (0%)
Something else - 1 (3.8%)
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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2019, 08:29:08 pm »


Much of the Steam Railway's motive power is younger than the SWR Tube stock.

Which one is the heritage railway?

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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2019, 02:30:41 pm »

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but following hard work by the team at the train care depot
would be good members of a heritage railway?

Given that the stock they are operating with is over 10 years older than the class 2 2-6-2Ts the IOWSR are using, you could say that they are already a heritage railway
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« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2019, 08:19:39 am »

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Island Line trains are unable to serve Ryde Pier Head this morning (Friday) due to a fault with the electric third rail power system.

Services between Ryde Esplanade and Ryde Pier Head have been suspended until further notice whilst engineers investigate the issue.

Trains are running as normal between Ryde and Shanklin.

Disruption is expected until 10:00.

The news comes just days after waves started crashing over the top of the Pier, resulting in sparks flying and the fire service being called out.
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« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2019, 08:11:25 pm »

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Island Line is expected to run a reduced hourly timetable until at least 17th November, it has been announced.

A fault with 1 of just 2 trains operating on the Island Line network means that there is now just 1 train running between Ryde Pier Head and Shanklin.

This reliance on a single train – which is over 80 years old – has seen the service suspended in its entirety at least twice this week. The whole operation hangs in the balance.

Got themselves in a right mess, haven't they?  Cancellation rates seem to have reached the sort of levels of motive power substitution we see with steam excursions ... surely you need a spare train - 3 for a 2 diagram service?  Can they borrow "Calbourne"?
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« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2019, 07:36:49 pm »

It gets worser ...

https://www.islandecho.co.uk/island-line-suspended-again-as-ageing-train-fails/

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Island Line services have been suspended this afternoon (Monday) as a result of a fault with the only train running on the network.

South Western Railway has confirmed that no trains are currently operating between Ryde Pier Head and Shanklin. Disruption is expected to last for the rest of the day.

The news comes just before children leave school for Monday, many of which use the East Wight train service to get home.

Today’s suspension of service is the latest issue to hit Island Line. There are just 2 trains normally available for service on the network, but 1 has been out of action since September. The entire service is now reliant on the last remaining train – which is over 80 years old – but that keeps breaking down.
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« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2019, 07:56:30 am »

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A spokesperson for the RMT Union on the Isle of Wight has today confirmed to OnTheWight that Island Line staff will not be taking industrial action during December, despite other media sources saying they would be.

Island Line RMT members will be available and are expected to work during the strike period of 2nd December 2019 to 1st January 20120.

Online abuse directed at staff
The RMT Union spokesperson says they are disappointed that certain publications have chosen to publish incorrect information, which in turn has led to their members being abused online.

Let's hope they have a working train or two to drive.  Seriously, a strike on the island that shut the line down for the best part of a month would not be a good advert for its future.
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« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2020, 12:08:33 am »

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Isle of Wight’s rattling, rolling, charming ex-tube trains face end of the line

Passengers say change is sad but inevitable as time catches up with UK’s oldest train fleet

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Almost all the passengers the Guardian spoke to during a trip on the train expressed sadness at the prospect. Isle of Wight residents Ash and Sammy Butler were travelling with their son Codie, two, all of them Isle of Wight residents. “I love the quirkiness of it,” said Ash. “You can tell the locals from the visitors straight away. The locals know how to sway with the train. Visitors get bounced all over the place. It’s a bit like being on a boat.”

The trains may rattle but they are also lovely. The carriages feature wooden and brass trim. The livery is a deep red.

Kathleen Neil and her friend Barbara Snelling manoeuvred on to the train on their mobility scooters, helped by an attentive guard. “It is rickety but that’s the charm of it,” said Neil, who has being riding on the trains for almost 40 years. “We roll on and off all the time to go shopping and meet friends. We love it.”
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« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2020, 08:39:57 pm »

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Isle of Wight Conservative MP, Bob Seely, is reported as having submitted expressions of interest to the Department for Transport last week to reopen two rail branch lines on the Island.

Isle of Wight Radio reported the MP was seeking a feasibility study to look in detail at:
* Extending Island Line from Shanklin to Ventnor
* Providing regular passenger services through Smallbrook from Ryde to Newport
The second option would be dependent on collaboration with the Isle of Wight Steam Railway (IWSR), who own the track.

Mr Seely said that most of the money needed for the feasibility study would come from the DfT, but that some extra would be needed to be put in.

The article goes on to introduce the complexity of sharing heritage and commercial operations.
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« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2020, 10:04:21 pm »

and a little more about it from local IOW radio.

https://iwradio.co.uk/2020/03/01/54-years-on-we-could-see-the-restoration-of-the-isle-of-wights-railways/?fbclid=IwAR3w2jSoZQoMAnDkPO6kV-BRMZ-jhscFynGZJEJlQZHj0OGOHyZWzfRvTs8



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An expression of interest into re-opening two branch lines was submitted to the Department for Transport (Dft) on Friday (February 28), by the Isle of Wight’s MP Bob Seely – with the Isle of Wight Council’s support and involvement.
As previously reported by Isle of Wight Radio, last summer, the DfT promised to invest £26m to upgrade and improve Island Line.

Bob told Isle of Wight Radio the Expression of Interest letter was to look at routes that could be re-opened, including:
Extend the existing Island Line (Ryde to Shanklin) south of Shanklin to reach Ventnor.
Providing regular passenger services through Smallbrook from Ryde to Newport – although this would be dependent on collaboration with the IW Steam Railway that owned the track.
Bob said that this was the start of a process – the next stage was a competition for a feasibility study which would look in detail at these routes.
The report states “The council is “welcoming” the move and “will support proposals that increase travel choice and provide alternative means of travel to the car.”
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A source close to Isle of Wight Radio says the expression of interest has been welcomed by the Solent Local Enterprise Partnership (Solent LEP).
MP for the Isle of Wight Bob Seely told Isle of Wight Radio:
“This is the start of a process to see if it is realistic to re-open any of the old lines on the Isle of Wight. We need more sustainable transport on the Island. Our roads are getting fuller.  Connecting Newport and Ventnor to Ryde would be a big boost for the Island. It’s early days yet, but I want to make sure that the Isle of Wight is at the head of any plans to reopen old lines. This is a huge boost for the Island in many ways. I will continue to see that the Isle of Wight is at the front of the queue.”
Until the 1950s the Island had a railway network of around 60 route miles, by 1966 only the Ryde to Shanklin route remained working -thanks to London underground tube rolling stock – which was electrified.
Isle of Wight Radio has asked the Isle of Wight Steam Railway and the Isle of Wight Council for a comment.
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« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2020, 10:06:45 am »

I'm not convinced this has been thought through, and it smacks of an MP looking to raise his profile without really having to do anything. The line to Ventnor for instance emerged from a difficult to maintain tunnel to an inconvenient station sited at the very top of the town. The steep hill means that it would never be practical to relocate it somewhere more useful, whereas buses can serve the whole place. Running services via the steam railway's track to Newport would be rather more complex than just "collaboration"; making it frequent enough and fast enough to be preferable to a bus would inevitably interfere with one of the island's main tourist attractions.
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« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2020, 02:17:06 pm »

IOW Steam Railway has responded to the recent proposals:

'Isle of Wight Steam Railway says it is 'open to discussions' with the MP for the Isle of Wight.
However it 'has no plans' to extend the railway line due to 'financial and technical challenges.'


I recall an earlier proposal from another interested group which included looking at a (tram?) service from Ventnor to Newport.  If the IOW Steam Railway route is a non starter then Newport to Ryde is still ….. perhaps..... on the cards by that route? IIRC the proposal was based on the fact that the old route was sufficiently preserved to make this a possibility.
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« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2020, 03:00:31 pm »

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Midlands-based Vivarail, which is at the forefront of moves to develop emission-free trains, has agreed a deal for a new manufacturing base at Southam (near Leamington Spa) to help it meet a growing order book (www.vivarail.co.uk.

The company) is moving its main base from Long Marston to a refurbished 37,000ft2 unit at Kineton Road Industrial Estate.

A spokesman for Vivarail, which recently won a deal to supply five two-car Class 484 electric multiple units to South Western Railway for use on the Isle of Wight, said: “Vivarail is delighted with its new facilities at Southam and looking forward to establishing its new manufacturing base.
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« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2020, 05:42:37 pm »

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Midlands-based Vivarail, which is at the forefront of moves to develop emission-free trains, has agreed a deal for a new manufacturing base at Southam (near Leamington Spa) to help it meet a growing order book (www.vivarail.co.uk.

The company) is moving its main base from Long Marston to a refurbished 37,000ft2 unit at Kineton Road Industrial Estate.

A spokesman for Vivarail, which recently won a deal to supply five two-car Class 484 electric multiple units to South Western Railway for use on the Isle of Wight, said: “Vivarail is delighted with its new facilities at Southam and looking forward to establishing its new manufacturing base.


The new base is about 2.5km from the nearest railway line as the crow flies. Presumably they've checked the local roads to make sure they'll have no problems getting the carriages in and out on the back of a lorry.
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« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2020, 06:15:17 pm »

Might they not use the Daventry International Freight Terminal which is rail connected, but a few more miles away?
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« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2020, 11:53:22 pm »

Might they not use the Daventry International Freight Terminal which is rail connected, but a few more miles away?

Quite possibly. I was just looking for the shortest distance between factory and railway. I wasn't really looking for an access point at that time.
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