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Question: What should be running From Ryde to Shanklin in 5 years time?  (Voting closed: June 26, 2018, 04:57:05 pm)
Current trains - 2 (7.7%)
Newer cascaded tubes - 11 (42.3%)
Next generation tube trains - 5 (19.2%)
Trams / light rail with streeet running - 7 (26.9%)
Buses - 0 (0%)
Something else - 1 (3.8%)
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« Reply #135 on: July 28, 2021, 01:42:26 am »

For a short and relatively low performance battery train providing a through service from an electrified man line onto a branch, the battery charging demand is probably a small addition to the otherwise existing traction demand, certainly needs considering though.

Future electrification should certainly have some spare capacity built in, for either extensions, or for charging battery trains.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #136 on: July 28, 2021, 11:42:14 am »

a short and relatively low performance battery train providing a through service from an electrified man line onto a branch battery trains.

...or from an electrified line onto a pier where maintaining a live third rail is distinctly challenging?
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« Reply #137 on: July 28, 2021, 05:16:03 pm »

On the matter of battery powered trains, I keenly await the entry into service of something battery powered, so we can see how it works in real life.
a practical test would be best
There has already been a 'practical test' of a battery-powered train, and this article on the IPEMU (Independely Powered Electic Multiple Unit (train running on batteries)) trial with a converted class 379 suggests it was even used in passenger service. I'm not sure if it was ever tried out on a non-electrified route though.
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« Reply #138 on: July 29, 2021, 06:20:03 am »

I had forgotten about that trial, now some years ago. Sounds as though it went well, perhaps something similar could be used on the GWR (Great Western Railway) line from Paddington, to some place just beyond the present limit of the OHLE, and then further afield as confidence is gained.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #139 on: July 29, 2021, 11:18:53 am »

I had forgotten about that trial, now some years ago. Sounds as though it went well, perhaps something similar could be used on the GWR (Great Western Railway) line from Paddington, to some place just beyond the present limit of the OHLE, and then further afield as confidence is gained.

There was a final report, which I found a while back, but I don't think it anything got onto the forum. I've posted something on the main IPEMU (Independely Powered Electic Multiple Unit (train running on batteries)) trial thread. That post also explains that the report is available on SPARK, which is accessible to anyone who goes through the registration process.
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« Reply #140 on: August 02, 2021, 11:06:02 am »

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Disruption to replacement buses on Island Line
What's going on
Due to flooding between Ryde Pier Head and Shanklin, replacement buses are unable to run.  Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

What We're Doing About It

We have been informed of flooding on the Isle of Wight, this means that our rail replacement buses in place for planned engineering works are unable to run.

For further information or onward travel advice please speak to a member of staff or use a station help point.

We are very sorry for any delay that this may cause to your journey.
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« Reply #141 on: August 02, 2021, 11:24:51 am »

Not the best thought-out explanation!  It now says the buses are delayed, not unable to run.  It's hard to see how flooding would have prevented all sections of the route being covered by buses, unless the flooding is particularly widespread or affects the bus depot, in which case why not say so? The Pier Head-Esplanade section would presumably have been a separate minibus, or even a locally-sourced 8 seater minicab, which you'd hope would have been unaffected.
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« Reply #142 on: August 05, 2021, 01:42:06 pm »

There's an article on the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) website about the recent flooding that affected the Island Line.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-58097095

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SWR» (South Western Railway - about) said during the recent flash floods - when more than a month's worth of rain fell in two hours - water was 18 inches (46cm) above the track at Ryde St John's Road, Sandown and Shanklin railway stations.

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It said newly laid ballast had been washed away from underneath sleepers and electrical, signalling and points equipment had also been damaged by the water.

In a statement, the operator said: "We had been aiming to reopen the Island Line in the first half of next month, but flash flooding has added uncertainty to our programme.

"We are sorry for the ongoing uncertainty for our customers and the communities we serve, and are working incredibly hard to reopen the Island Line as soon as possible."





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« Reply #143 on: August 05, 2021, 04:08:33 pm »

The fact there are still only two of the five 484 units on the Island might also be a factor.
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« Reply #144 on: August 05, 2021, 08:39:47 pm »

The fact there are still only two of the five 484 units on the Island might also be a factor.
At least two of the three at Eastleigh have been out and about recently, often overnight although not every path has necessarily been used.

I suppose it’s possible that all 5 can actually move…

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« Reply #145 on: August 24, 2021, 05:38:41 pm »

Another of the 484s has arrived on the island.

https://twitter.com/SW_Help/status/1430186767014109190
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« Reply #146 on: September 09, 2021, 03:42:51 pm »

As I write, (1542 Thur 9th), there’s a 484 on the pier, stopped short of the station.

https://youtu.be/UkmhN7P8U-4

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« Reply #147 on: September 10, 2021, 10:28:22 am »

I stayed there last weekend, was gutted not to get on the new trains, especially as you could see them there ready to go
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« Reply #148 on: September 17, 2021, 04:05:04 pm »

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The London Transport Traction Group and The Llanelli & Mynydd Mawr Railway have announced that two Ex-London Underground trains will soon become residents in South Wales, at the heritage railway located near Llanelli.

This is thought to be the first time that a tube train (1938 stock) has visited Wales and both groups say that they are looking forward to working together.

The London Transport Traction Group was originally set up to secure one of these trains for preservation, having been in service in London and the Isle of Wight, but ended up saving two!

I know we planned to adopt one (more) greyhound and ended up with two, but doing it with trains is on an all together different level!
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« Reply #149 on: September 22, 2021, 01:44:15 pm »

Trains “set” to return on 1st November.

https://www.southwesternrailway.com/other/news-and-media/news/2021/september/island-line-set-to-reopen-on-1-november

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The upgraded Island Line is due to reopen on 1 November, as long as a final round of train safety tests is successfully completed
A series of complications have delayed the £26m project, but the new trains and enhanced infrastructure will transform the customer experience
South Western Railway (SWR» (South Western Railway - about)) has today announced that the upgraded Island Line is set to reopen on 1 November, subject to a final round of train safety tests being successfully completed.

Once reopened, customers will return to a transformed Island Line, with new trains running along upgraded infrastructure and through improved stations.

The new trains will significantly improve the customer experience, with upgrades ranging from better interiors to plug sockets, free WiFi and wheelchair spaces.

As well as testing the new trains, SWR staff have been busy improving the rail infrastructure and stations on the Island. Amongst other enhancements, the Island Line tracks have been upgraded to ensure customers can enjoy a smoother ride.

The £26 million project, which has been funded by the Department for Transport, Isle of Wight Council and Solent Local Enterprise Partnership, has regrettably taken longer to complete than first anticipated. This has been due to several factors including train testing complications, the pandemic and even the flash flooding which engulfed the Isle of Wight earlier this summer.

During testing, the new Class 484 Island Line trains have been affected by software issues, which SWR and train supplier Vivarail have made good progress in solving through further testing. The final phase of testing is key to the delivery of a safe and reliable railway.

Commenting, Claire Mann, Managing Director of South Western Railway, said:
“We are really pleased that the Island Line is set to reopen on 1 November, providing that a final round of testing allows us to safely introduce our new trains into passenger service.

“It goes without saying that the safety of our customers and colleagues is the absolute priority for us, which is why it’s so important to get these final preparations right.

“When the Island Line reopens, the new trains and upgraded infrastructure will give a real boost to the customer experience, delivering the modern, punctual and accessible railway that people expect and deserve.

“We are sorry that this project has taken longer to deliver than we first hoped, with a series of complications sadly delaying re-opening. However, we are confident that the transformed Island Line will be worth wait, and we are so excited to welcome locals and visitors back onboard!”
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