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« on: July 11, 2018, 02:19:23 pm »

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10:48 Great Malvern to Brighton due 16:14
10:48 Great Malvern to Brighton due 16:14 will be terminated at Westbury.
It will no longer call at Dilton Marsh, Warminster, Salisbury, Romsey, Southampton Central, Fareham, Cosham, Havant, Chichester, Barnham, Worthing, Shoreham-By-Sea, Hove and Brighton.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:11/07/2018 12:16

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17:02 Brighton to Bristol Temple Meads due 20:26
17:02 Brighton to Bristol Temple Meads due 20:26 will be started from Westbury.
It will no longer call at Brighton, Hove, Shoreham-By-Sea, Worthing, Barnham, Chichester, Havant, Cosham, Fareham, Southampton Central, Romsey, Salisbury and Warminster.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:11/07/2018 12:17

Is it just me, or are the Brighton trains high up the "Cancel me first" stakes at the moment?
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2018, 02:40:12 pm »

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10:48 Great Malvern to Brighton due 16:14
10:48 Great Malvern to Brighton due 16:14 will be terminated at Westbury.
It will no longer call at Dilton Marsh, Warminster, Salisbury, Romsey, Southampton Central, Fareham, Cosham, Havant, Chichester, Barnham, Worthing, Shoreham-By-Sea, Hove and Brighton.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:11/07/2018 12:16

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17:02 Brighton to Bristol Temple Meads due 20:26
17:02 Brighton to Bristol Temple Meads due 20:26 will be started from Westbury.
It will no longer call at Brighton, Hove, Shoreham-By-Sea, Worthing, Barnham, Chichester, Havant, Cosham, Fareham, Southampton Central, Romsey, Salisbury and Warminster.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:11/07/2018 12:17

Is it just me, or are the Brighton trains high up the "Cancel me first" stakes at the moment?

Perhaps GWR want to be rid of them in the next franchise.
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2018, 04:16:06 pm »

There are quite a few options to get from Westbury to Brighton with only one change if the through service is cancelled.

Besides if it means there is a unit and crew available to run a TransWilts service......
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2018, 04:37:24 pm »

There are quite a few options to get from Westbury to Brighton with only one change if the through service is cancelled.

Those options may be limited by the choice of fare though.
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2018, 04:52:37 pm »

There are quite a few options to get from Westbury to Brighton with only one change if the through service is cancelled.

Those options may be limited by the choice of fare though.

Indeed - there are Advanced Fares "Great Western Only" from (example) Bath Spa to Brighton.  Technically, AP tickets are on the next train of the same operator, aren't they? So that's the train to Fareham connecting into tomorrow morning's Portsmouth to Brighton.   I suspect that other arrangements would be made.  Other tickets "via Salisbury" do not specify an operator.

The presence of the GWR train from Bath Spa to Brighton, and the two trains back, does indeed open that flow for the sale of advanced GWR tickets.
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2018, 08:05:36 pm »

My point was that, unless you have an +Any Permitted or Not via London fare between the Bristol/Westbury area and Brighton your choice is limited when the GWR Brighton are binned. No choice but to squeeze onto a following GWR to Southampton/Fareham and change. Unless you pay an excess to travel via Reading or London.

When GWR cancel their Brightons they should relax routeing restrictions.
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2018, 09:03:30 am »

I was travelling from Oldfield Park towards Brighton a few weeks ago, and caught the train to Westbury to connect with the direct service down to the Sussex coast. However, when I got there I found out that it was indeed cancelled, so had a wait of about an hour and ten minutes for the next train to Southampton. This was very frustrating as I had only decided to make the journey on the basis that there was a direct service, as I needed to be back in Bath by the end of the afternoon.

Westbury really isn't a station set up for such long waits, and it was fortunate the weather was warm, as I certainly wouldn't want to hang around there in cold weather. When that train arrived at Southampton, I found that the train from there towards Brighton was also cancelled, and was advised to take the next train to Fareham and catch an onward service there. At Fareham I found that all services were delayed due to a track defect, and also found, having never alighted at Fareham before, that it is even less well set up for a long wait. It is a grim place to find yourself having to wait for endlessly delayed trains, and I eventually gave up and caught the next train back to Southampton to go home, as it was looking like I would never get there...
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2018, 06:02:59 pm »


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Perhaps GWR want to be rid of them in the next franchise.
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It's First Group really as current holders of the GWR franchise you need to aim your complaints at. And I can't see them retaining this one when it comes up for renewal hence the shocking level of interest in anything other than HSS.

Service level is set elsewhere and if Brighton's are deemed required then the next franchise will be required to deliver. That s unless the franchise is split.
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2018, 07:41:31 pm »

Service level is set elsewhere and if Brighton's are deemed required then the next franchise will be required to deliver. That s unless the franchise is split.

It's the DfT that want rid of the Brighton extensions, as is proposed in the most recent franchise renewal consultation.  Indeed DfT have been trying to get rid of it for about 10 years now.

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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2018, 02:30:25 pm »

Thanks Paul.

It always seemed an oddity as the last bit of the old Regional Railways timetable that didn't get revised. Forget all the odd destinations that the Alphaline from Waterloo served, Manchester being one and Milford Haven another for the ferries, forget the other. Left with the rump that SWR provide from BRI. Still very useful although iirc ran non stop from Warminster set down only at a couple of points.

Someone must have seen a need for it to have retained it for so long, and we may have not seen the pink 31's which used to do the run on a Friday.  ;Date
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2018, 06:24:05 pm »

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17:02 Brighton to Bristol Temple Meads due 20:26
17:02 Brighton to Bristol Temple Meads due 20:26 will be started from Worthing.
It will no longer call at Brighton, Hove and Shoreham-By-Sea.
This is due to a fault on a train in front of this one.

This thread is NOT a complete log ... attachments show "Recent Times Trains" captures I did yesterday, looking back on Mondays to Fridays between Salisbury and Brighton.
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2018, 08:46:45 am »

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10:48 Great Malvern to Brighton due 16:14
10:48 Great Malvern to Brighton due 16:14 will be terminated at Westbury.
It will no longer call at Dilton Marsh, Warminster, Salisbury, Romsey, Southampton Central, Fareham, Cosham, Havant, Chichester, Barnham, Worthing, Shoreham-By-Sea, Hove and Brighton.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.


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17:02 Brighton to Bristol Temple Meads due 20:26
17:02 Brighton to Bristol Temple Meads due 20:26 will be started from Westbury.
It will no longer call at Brighton, Hove, Shoreham-By-Sea, Worthing, Barnham, Chichester, Havant, Cosham, Fareham, Southampton Central, Romsey, Salisbury and Warminster.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2018, 08:48:53 am »

Must be staffing problems at Westbury - the early service to Portsmouth was also cancelled - initially due to a train fault and then lack of crew.   The return working is starting from Salisbury.
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2018, 08:07:38 pm »

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17:02 Brighton to Bristol Temple Meads due 20:26
17:02 Brighton to Bristol Temple Meads due 20:26 will be started from Westbury.
It will no longer call at Brighton, Hove, Shoreham-By-Sea, Worthing, Barnham, Chichester, Havant, Cosham, Fareham, Southampton Central, Romsey, Salisbury and Warminster.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

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17:02 Brighton to Bristol Temple Meads due 20:26
17:02 Brighton to Bristol Temple Meads due 20:26 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2018, 04:29:22 pm »

Service level is set elsewhere and if Brighton's are deemed required then the next franchise will be required to deliver. That s unless the franchise is split.

It's the DfT that want rid of the Brighton extensions, as is proposed in the most recent franchise renewal consultation.  Indeed DfT have been trying to get rid of it for about 10 years now.

Paul

To be honest, it just doesn't seem to fit with the GWR franchise, and doesn't get much priority, its one of the few routes I do think should either be split, or taken over by SWR. I would much rather GWR focused on strengthening and improving the Bristol to Weymouth, Cardiff to Salisbury/Portsmouth route.   At the moment there are so many other routes that could do with the extra rolling stock it just seems madness.
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