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« Reply #75 on: November 28, 2018, 10:38:12 pm »

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But for the benefit of the longer distance travellers, wouldn't it have been better to allocate the cut-down HSTs to this line?
A bold YES from me.
Hasn't it been said on here several times that the HSTs are not cleared to run beyond St Denys ?

There are two types of bogies utilised on the HST Mk3 carriages. LSL (long swing link) and SSL (short swing link) and HST sets  ....

Also I think the SSL carriages can't go via Hamble - have to go via Hedge End ??
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« Reply #76 on: November 28, 2018, 10:47:18 pm »

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But for the benefit of the longer distance travellers, wouldn't it have been better to allocate the cut-down HSTs to this line?
A bold YES from me.
Hasn't it been said on here several times that the HSTs are not cleared to run beyond St Denys ?
There are two types of bogies utilised on the HST Mk3 carriages. LSL (long swing link) and SSL (short swing link) and HST sets  ....
Also I think the SSL carriages can't go via Hamble - have to go via Hedge End ??


Might be so.
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« Reply #77 on: November 28, 2018, 11:10:37 pm »

It's not just LSL bogied Mk3s that are the problem for HSTs operating Cardiff-Portsmouth.

The Class 43 power cars are banned between St Denys and Fareham. Clearance issues on the Hamble Viaduct.  

The HST footex that FGW ran in the past (Swansea to Fratton), along with a Cotswold Line Promotion Group railtour from Hereford to Portsmouth, both in 2011, ran via Chandlers Ford, Eastleigh and Hedge End.

Taking that route wouldn't be practical in daily service as it misses out Southampton Central. Nor would it be practical to call at Southampton then Eastleigh and reverse for Fareham via Botley. That would lengthen the journey time and require a complete timetable recast, where paths between St Denys and Eastleigh would have to be found.

For those reasons, and ensuring you have sets with SSL bogies only for third rail running, means it has never been a serious consideration to run HSTs on Cardiff-Portsmouth services.
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« Reply #78 on: May 22, 2019, 07:11:55 pm »

I noticed there was a 5 coach 166 + 165 on the 0830 Cardiff to Portsmouth today.  Are more diagrams going over to turbos since the start of the new timetable?
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« Reply #79 on: May 22, 2019, 08:17:43 pm »

It's not just LSL bogied Mk3s that are the problem for HSTs operating Cardiff-Portsmouth.

The Class 43 power cars are banned between St Denys and Fareham. Clearance issues on the Hamble Viaduct.  



Learn something everyday. I saw the HST as a go anywhere train. Can't be many places they can't go though.
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« Reply #80 on: May 23, 2019, 10:57:50 am »

Clearance issues on the Hamble Viaduct.

Surprising that it didn't get singled in the BR era.
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« Reply #81 on: May 23, 2019, 12:15:13 pm »

I noticed there was a 5 coach 166 + 165 on the 0830 Cardiff to Portsmouth today.  Are more diagrams going over to turbos since the start of the new timetable?

I was going to say have a look at the CIS. Then I saw this load of visual diarrhoea !! Just how is my "granny" or a foreign tourist meant to understand this lot ??

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« Reply #82 on: May 23, 2019, 12:57:14 pm »

I noticed there was a 5 coach 166 + 165 on the 0830 Cardiff to Portsmouth today.  Are more diagrams going over to turbos since the start of the new timetable?

I was going to say have a look at the CIS. Then I saw this load of visual diarrhoea !! Just how is my "granny" or a foreign tourist meant to understand this lot ??

That's the staff CIS view ... plenty of choices available ... top 5 samples from GWR / Iris Tiger, bottom 2 from http://www.mrug.org.uk/wmn.html















One or two of these are scrolling displays - so above does not capture all the data available.
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« Reply #83 on: May 23, 2019, 02:12:29 pm »

I think you missed one Grahame - the one that told you what size shoes the driver was wearing  Wink

I have seen the platform CIS at Warminster displaying exactly what I showed above - it does not help passengers, it just confuses them.

To return to the original point, not many 5 car trains to be seen still - one 4 car though,  2 X ?
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« Reply #84 on: May 23, 2019, 02:26:36 pm »

I think you missed one Grahame - the one that told you what size shoes the driver was wearing  Wink

I have seen the platform CIS at Warminster displaying exactly what I showed above - it does not help passengers, it just confuses them.

To return to the original point, not many 5 car trains to be seen still - one 4 car though,  2 X ?

It was quoted as D - E - D - E so probably 2 x 2 car 165 units.  Any, yes, I too have seen a variety of the displays on CIS screens including Staff view which is personally wonderful in telling me so much, but really not clever for passengers who think of stations by real names and haven't a clue where the train was "latest report Thingley Junction"

I was amused at the "most liked" ranking of 153 on this thread about 165 and 166. How quickly we move on. The guy at Transport for Wales on Saturday last was proud of his five extra trains coming into the timetable at the start of this week ... further enquiry brought out the fact that the five extras that took them up to 132 trains were the 153 added to the fleet.

[153] 165/166s on this route
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« Reply #85 on: May 23, 2019, 08:46:47 pm »

And today 0730, 0830, 0930 CDF to PMH all short formed, and 0800 CDF to PGN too.  Somebody at GWR definitely had it in for the S Wales to Bristol commuters this morning.
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« Reply #86 on: May 23, 2019, 08:52:05 pm »

Any Turbos released as a result of increasing use of IETs from Monday will need to be Ride Height Modified, and also possible fitted with door controls for the TMís, so it might be a week or two until they come on stream.

Practically everything on the Cardiff<>Portsmouth axis should be a 5-car by December Iím told.
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