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« on: May 03, 2019, 08:08:40 »

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Network Rail’s ruling that 99 per cent of its contractors are ‘inside IR35’ is ‘deeply concerning’, IPSE (the Association of Independent Professionals and the Self-Employed) has warned.

I suspect some sort of explanation of IR35 would be helpful.  Let me get a cup of coffee and I'll follow up with my personal story that should help with context and give an example.


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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2019, 09:19:18 »

That will soon change when they realise that no work is getting done.....(and yes, I'm one of them) Tongue
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2019, 11:18:15 »

I suspect some sort of explanation of IR35 would be helpful.  Let me get a cup of coffee and I'll follow up with my personal story that should help with context and give an example.


Once upon a time, way back in the last millennium, I worked as an employee for First Alternative, giving training courses most days, and updating course material / setting up their first website / selling courses / setting up training systems on other days.  Then I got tempted away by a former boss to another job, which (I rapidly discovered) was a huge mistake.  Six weeks later, I was back teaching for First Alternative, but this time as a contactor and not as an employee.

"We haven't filled your role, Graham, but we're not taking on employees to train any longer".  The deal was that I set up a 'shell' company, and invoiced for days that I trained. I was responsible through that company for paying my own taxes and national insurance as appropriate, and I was only paid for the days I worked. I was no longer responsible for the other various 'fill in' tasks, though I did take a couple of extra contract elements to do their web site.

You could - very successfully, I'm sure, argue that at that stage I was to all intents and purposes employed by First Alternative. Over 90% of the income from "Well House Consultants" at that point was from them, and their requirement for a teacher was based on my personal availability - had "Well House Consultants" sent in someone else to do the job, they would have been more than a little surprised.   Such arrangements were popular with "employers" as they took out the cost and risk of a full time employee ... they were not popular with the Inland Revenue, and hence the introduction of IR35 in which the Inland Revenue tell the "employer" that they must deduct an amount equivalent to income tax and national insurance prior to contract payments, with the contractor then sorting it out with the Inland Revenue though tax returns, etc.

This (IR35) was, note, something that came in some 20 years ago... and by the time it did, Well House Consultants had spread its wings, and was running its own training courses. We had dozens of clients, and indeed our relationship with First Alternative came to an end within a handful of years and we became far from a "shell" company, so there was zero chance of any of our jobs falling under IR35.   However, had I continued contracting purely for First Alternative, I might well have been subjected to its terms.

As a retired specialist / elder statesman these days ... would I be tempted to go back and contract for them as a third life?   Certainly not if IR35 were to be applied.  For a handful of niche courses, I would end up invoicing an amount of "X" - the historic amount, inflation adjusted.  I would then find deductions on 'emergency' rate for income tax, national insurance (1) , and - these days, perhaps - pension (2).  And whilst Well House Consultants has now de-registered from VAT (Value Added Tax), I wonder how that would have applied.  Also (4). For sure, each of these elements paid via First Alternative would in theory have been reclaimable via my tax setup and I would possibly not have had to pay such items as "Well House Consultants" anymore, but the sheer hassle, time delay, and cost of getting accountants or other experts to sort this out would leave me asking "why do I bother", and indeed not bothering at all.

Reading the IPSE post, as I understand it Network Rail have come up with a system under which 99% of contractors are deemed to be within the scope of IR35. And for those substantial numbers of those who are highly skilled experts who are being bought in, it brings considerable extra paperwork and significant expense with accountancy costs and also cash flow as it sorts out in the next year's tax return.   Enough to put off a lot of the experts who need to be bought (back) in occasionally with their historic knowledge.

I am not a tax expert ... the above is just my understanding ... check for yourself if in doubt ...



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(1) - would only apply to me for next 15 months due to age
(2) - pension element can be opted out of
(4) - significance I hadn't realised - as a contractor I had considerable investment in tools of trade which I am very doubtful whether I could have claimed as an allowable expense; Well House Consultants typically owned a dozen laptops which were available for delegates to use during course I taught; not as expensive now as they used to be - but our initial setup cost over £10,000 to buy 20 years ago.
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2019, 13:02:32 »

Basically you are correct.  NR» (Network Rail - home page) is doing this because it is now a requirement for HMG and nationalised industries to assume IR35 applies unless proved otherwise.  The HMRC web site test has been blasted by contractors and a parliamentary committee as not fit for purpose.

A few minor alterations to your note:
  • Since you are retired you are probably at, or past the state pension age so NI would not be payable
  • You can opt out of any pension arrangements
  • The allowed expenses are greater if you are a contractor and not under IR35.

I am also relieved to be retired and not fighting IR35.  It is noticeable that HMRC lose the high profile cases which they take to tribunal.
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2019, 13:27:58 »

A few minor alterations to your note:

Much appreciated - I have gone back and added footnotes to the original text so that it reflects the situation more accurately within the single post.
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2019, 13:42:29 »

A further article at https://www.recruiter.co.uk/news/2019/05/hmrc-refutes-‘blanket-ir35-approach’-network-rail-contractors .

Whatever the various wrongs and rights here ... the IR35 system / regime persuades experts that would Network Rail needs, but who can choose whether or not to take contracts, out of the workforce.   And that leaves a skill shortage at Network Rail.    I would suspect that the vast majority are happy to pay their fair whack to HM Government, but really can't be a**ed with the paperwork the system involves.
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2019, 09:40:40 »

The FOI (Freedom of Information) requests and the original report were by ContractorCalculator. They reproduce a table of monthly assessment results, as if it's from NR» (Network Rail - home page)'s documents; though they do not actually say so. But they show nothing else of the content of the NR documents, which makes it very hard to know what those figures mean. All we get is the - somewhat polemical - commentary from ContractorCalculator.
 
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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2019, 11:13:07 »

To post an alternative view.

I've generally been 'staff' but often find myself working alongside contractors. The theory at my current employer was that they would be brought in for a fixed period or project and move on to another employer. What tended to happen is that they'd stay for years and years but at a higher salary, lower tax and lots more things they could claim. I often found myself watching colleagues hoover up receipts to claim things back that I couldn't for the same work.

It got even stranger when legislation improved around leave and work pay (which is a good thing) as we ended up on the same terms and conditions pretty much.

I lay the blame firmly at the large companies who worked this way and not the individuals as it was a simple (lazy?) was of managing resources/people.

I also agree that HMRC has now gone too far in the other direction which makes it really difficult to recruit in specialist roles (mine being Broadcasting not Engineering) and onerous paper work. It also creates big restrictions on how you staff some projects.
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