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Author Topic: CrossCountry Franchise Competition "Will Not Proceed"  (Read 717 times)
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« on: September 20, 2018, 02:24:27 am »

From the DfT:

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The department has reviewed all ongoing franchise competitions and other live rail projects in the context of the rail review. Due to the unique geographic nature of the Cross Country franchise, which runs from Aberdeen to Penzance and cuts across multiple parts of the railway, awarding this franchise in 2019 could impact on the reviewís conclusions.

It has therefore been decided that this competition will not proceed. Services will continue to be operated by the existing franchisee with options beyond this to be considered in due course. The department will consider the responses to the Cross Country public consultation in the development of future options for the franchise.

All other ongoing franchise competitions and other live rail projects are continuing as planned.
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2018, 08:56:55 am »

Simply because XC/Arriva were the only entrant....no one else expressed an interest.
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2018, 09:13:09 am »

Simply because XC/Arriva were the only entrant....no one else expressed an interest.
Exactly!

Another franchise desperate for a long term strategy that's been kicked into the long grass yet again.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2018, 09:23:37 am »

Simply because XC/Arriva were the only entrant....no one else expressed an interest.
Exactly!

Another franchise desperate for a long term strategy that's been kicked into the long grass yet again.

So much work and effort has been put into looking forward at whet the Cross Country network of services needs for the next decade.

However fit for purpose the current setup was when it was put into place, it is now very clearly creaking around some of the seams (if not most of them) and it needs an update to the setup - and perhaps to the definition of process - and not just "carry on as you are" into the undefined and perhaps distant future.

I do hope that all the work and analysis on what's needed for the future is heeded, implemented as appropriate and not just parked for "sometime/perhaps/aspiration" as the current service creaks onward untuned for the future.
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2018, 09:45:07 am »

However fit for purpose the current setup was when it was put into place, it is now very clearly creaking around some of the seams (if not most of them) and it needs an update to the setup - and perhaps to the definition of process - and not just "carry on as you are" into the undefined and perhaps distant future.

I do hope that all the work and analysis on what's needed for the future is heeded, implemented as appropriate and not just parked for "sometime/perhaps/aspiration" as the current service creaks onward untuned for the future.
In the future HS2 will take a significant amount of intercity travel away from the XC core.  I just hope it does not get decided to leave XC as is until then.
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2018, 08:20:42 pm »

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However fit for purpose the current setup was when it was put into place, it is now very clearly creaking around some of the seams (if not most of them) and it needs an update to the setup - and perhaps to the definition of process - and not just "carry on as you are" into the undefined and perhaps distant future.

I do hope that all the work and analysis on what's needed for the future is heeded, implemented as appropriate and not just parked for "sometime/perhaps/aspiration" as the current service creaks onward untuned for the future.
In the future HS2 will take a significant amount of intercity travel away from the XC core.  I just hope it does not get decided to leave XC as is until then.

I am not so sure. HS2 does not affect the considerable XC traffic on the Bournemouth/Southampton/Basingstoke/Reading/Oxford/Birmingham axis, nor the Plymouth/Exeter/Bristol/Cheltenham/Birmingham one either. It will not serve the Trent Valley, nor Derby or Sheffield.

If it does kill off the viability of XC routes north of Birmingham there will still be demand on the two southern "legs". In such circumstances these might make a logical addition to the GW franchise - there might even be some mid-life 5 coach IETs ready to be cascaded to replace the Voyagers...
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2018, 01:46:41 pm »

A cynic like me would suggest that the POSSIBILITY that HS2 MIGHT take some traffic away from the cross country network is an excellent reason to do nothing.
No need to improve capacity on cross country if there is any chance that HS2 might at some far future date possibly relieve a little of the present overcrowding.

With HS2 unlikely to carry passengers until 2036* that means another 18 years of inadequate cross country capacity

*my estimate from simply adding 10 years to the official date of 2026.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2018, 12:01:43 pm »

Why only 10 years? Thameslink 2000 was 18 years late and still hasn't been fully delivered.
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2018, 02:03:45 pm »

I was feeling optimistic.
My crystal ball forecasts a delay of at least 10 years, rather than a delay limited to 10 years.
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"Capacity on intercity routes should be about number of vehicles, not compressing people"
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