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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2018, 03:53:30 pm »

I honestly can't work out whether I missed an interesting, hopefully productive consultation or just another geeky meeting getting lost in its own irrelevant details – but it does sound as if it at least had potential to be the former. Either way, I didn't know about it until – just now. (Though I probably wouldn't have gone anyway, as Wednesday nights are usually occupied with other things.)

I don't we'll find that anyone missing from the meeting will have made a huge difference to the future or transport in Bristol.   But to be fair it was the launch of a consulatation so plenty more chances to get in there - deadline 6th November I think.   And to be double fair, one of the questions being asked of attendees is "how do we reach people and encourage them to respond" ...

I get confused between all the levels of planning - the City, the two Mayoral zones, the LEP, the new Western Gateway subregion, and then on to the DfT - all with their elements of spatial and transport planning ...
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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2018, 04:02:06 pm »

I don't we'll find that anyone missing from the meeting will have made a huge difference to the future or transport in Bristol.   But to be fair it was the launch of a consulatation so plenty more chances to get in there - deadline 6th November I think.   And to be double fair, one of the questions being asked of attendees is "how do we reach people and encourage them to respond" ...

I think that you may have coined a new transport phrase there - the "consulatation" - A consolation consultation where they ask for your aspirations and then tell you why they cant deliver them to quite some consternation...

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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2018, 09:03:12 pm »

I honestly can't work out whether I missed an interesting, hopefully productive consultation or just another geeky meeting getting lost in its own irrelevant details – but it does sound as if it at least had potential to be the former. Either way, I didn't know about it until – just now. (Though I probably wouldn't have gone anyway, as Wednesday nights are usually occupied with other things.)

I don't we'll find that anyone missing from the meeting will have made a huge difference to the future or transport in Bristol.   But to be fair it was the launch of a consulatation so plenty more chances to get in there - deadline 6th November I think.   And to be double fair, one of the questions being asked of attendees is "how do we reach people and encourage them to respond" ...

I get confused between all the levels of planning - the City, the two Mayoral zones, the LEP, the new Western Gateway subregion, and then on to the DfT - all with their elements of spatial and transport planning ...

You aren't the only one Grahame ,that goes for me as well and as I was sitting with you last night ,I get upon reflection the feeling that the same can be said of Bristol City Council !...
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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2018, 10:56:41 am »

I honestly can't work out whether I missed an interesting, hopefully productive consultation or just another geeky meeting getting lost in its own irrelevant details – but it does sound as if it at least had potential to be the former. Either way, I didn't know about it until – just now. (Though I probably wouldn't have gone anyway, as Wednesday nights are usually occupied with other things.)

I don't we'll find that anyone missing from the meeting will have made a huge difference to the future or transport in Bristol.   But to be fair it was the launch of a consulatation so plenty more chances to get in there - deadline 6th November I think.   And to be double fair, one of the questions being asked of attendees is "how do we reach people and encourage them to respond" ...

I get confused between all the levels of planning - the City, the two Mayoral zones, the LEP, the new Western Gateway subregion, and then on to the DfT - all with their elements of spatial and transport planning ...

You aren't the only one Grahame ,that goes for me as well and as I was sitting with you last night ,I get upon reflection the feeling that the same can be said of Bristol City Council !...
One of the Mayoral zones is the same as the City. The Western super Mayor is, erm, much more superer, at least in areal. And the Western Gateway... well, it's the first I've heard of that one.
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2018, 06:50:44 pm »

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I get confused between all the levels of planning - the City, the two Mayoral zones, the LEP, the new Western Gateway subregion, and then on to the DfT - all with their elements of spatial and transport planning ...


....confused .... yes you are .... there are 3 mayoral zones in Bristol .... you forgot The Lord Mayor besides The Elected Mayor and The Metro Mayor .... but out in the sticks we have our own Town Mayors, Thornbury, Weston-Super-Mare and  Yate to name a few.
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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2018, 11:00:41 am »

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I get confused between all the levels of planning - the City, the two Mayoral zones, the LEP, the new Western Gateway subregion, and then on to the DfT - all with their elements of spatial and transport planning ...


....confused .... yes you are .... there are 3 mayoral zones in Bristol .... you forgot The Lord Mayor besides The Elected Mayor and The Metro Mayor .... but out in the sticks we have our own Town Mayors, Thornbury, Weston-Super-Mare and  Yate to name a few.

George Ferguson explained Bristol mayor's relationship with the lord mayor as "I'm the power, he's the glory". (It's she now - we have a lady Lord Mayor.) The Western super mayor is probably, in the same analogy, the bank manager. The LEP gave us MetroBust to make the development of Filton airfield possible, before chairman Colin Skellet stood down to spend more time working for the owners of Filton airfield, and the LEP doesn't do transport any more. north somerset parish council is now operating under a version of the Chequers Brexit deal - don't want to belong to the club, but we would like the benefits please. Then there is Network Rail and let's not forget Highways England and the bus commissioners, and suddenly you see why it all costs so much and takes such a long time.

It will get better when a proper ITA is formed, and the sub-regional level seems the proper place for it, so long as the money doesn't all get spent on the bigger cities and towns at the expense of improved transport in the smaller places.
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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2018, 11:10:47 am »

It will get better when a proper ITA is formed, and the sub-regional level seems the proper place for it,
When is that likely to happen?
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2018, 11:14:02 am »

It will get better when a proper ITA is formed, and the sub-regional level seems the proper place for it,
When is that likely to happen?

Probably the latter part of the 22nd century, or when new technology makes it unnecessary, whichever comes last.  Grin
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« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2018, 09:34:09 pm »

As an aside, according to Bishopston Voice - a free monthly that circulates in these parts - Western Super Mayor Peter 'Bounder' Bowles is in cahoots with Bristol South MP Karyn Smith (I may have mys-spelled that) to see to the introduction of a JustaBus line along the South Bristol Ring Road link (you know, the one that was planned over 50 years before JustaBus was though of). A cinyc (I may have miss-spelled that) might think that by pretending to have the slightest intention of ever running buses that way they hope to strengthen the case for building the Callington Link using public transport funding...

According to the same article, 'Bounder' is in discussions with the East Japan Railway Company, though in what context is not made very clear; possibly something to do with a link to the Airport... how this all fits in with South Glos Mayor Marvin Trump's mooted underground is also unclear; 'Marvin and I work very closely' says Bowles.

Exciting times, eh what?
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« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2018, 11:37:44 am »

As an aside, according to Bishopston Voice - a free monthly that circulates in these parts - Western Super Mayor Peter 'Bounder' Bowles is in cahoots with Bristol South MP Karyn Smith (I may have mys-spelled that) to see to the introduction of a JustaBus line along the South Bristol Ring Road link (you know, the one that was planned over 50 years before JustaBus was though of). A cinyc (I may have miss-spelled that) might think that by pretending to have the slightest intention of ever running buses that way they hope to strengthen the case for building the Callington Link using public transport funding...

According to the same article, 'Bounder' is in discussions with the East Japan Railway Company, though in what context is not made very clear; possibly something to do with a link to the Airport... how this all fits in with South Glos Mayor Marvin Trump's mooted underground is also unclear; 'Marvin and I work very closely' says Bowles.

Exciting times, eh what?

The Metro Mayor just wants to make it look as if HE was the one that got the South Bristol Ring Road built and have his piccy took flagging off the first MetroBus service to use the road just like he did at the Aztec West roundabout where he was piccyed at the finished works claiming the works were carried out by WECA when in fact it was us, me included, council taxpayers of South Gloucestershire UA that paid for the works although funding from Central Government may have made a contribution. It must be coming up to an election, I had 4 flyers from the Tories through my letterbox last week.
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« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2018, 01:36:13 pm »

.... It must be coming up to an election, I had 4 flyers from the Tories through my letterbox last week.

And since that post just 2 hours ago I had a 5th flyer, guess what, announcing a By-Election.
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« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2018, 12:20:33 pm »

Consultation closes 2nd November 2018 - I have updated diary entry to reflect this.

Link recommended to me at

https://bristol.citizenspace.com/growth-regeneration/bristol-transport-strategy/ 
 
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« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2018, 02:05:28 pm »

Not exactly Bristol Transport Strategy, more draft Joint Local Transport Plan 2019-2036 wish-list featured in this Bristol Live article.
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« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2019, 05:17:37 pm »

Major Marv says large scale public transport changes dependent on airport expansion.

From Bristol Live:

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/ambitious-mass-transit-hopes-rest-2682966
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« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2019, 06:03:47 pm »

Major Marv will be out of office before the airport expansion plans are even approved and thus join the ever lengthening roll of honour of Bristol civic leaders who promised so much and achieved nowt.

edited to add ;-

Meanwhile the blank Roll of Honour board of Civic Leaders that actually did something to cure Bristols traffic congestion and now its air pollution problem will remain virgin territory.
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