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« on: September 22, 2018, 05:45:53 pm »

Hello,

does anyone know when the CP6 announcement for 2019 - 2024 going to be? Seems really close now and surely they will need to make the final decision soon? Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2018, 06:16:41 pm »

CP6 I believe is a different beast - funding granted as & when, rather than set out at the start for the full period
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2018, 08:34:34 pm »

I thought funding was granted for the whole period for repairs and maintenance, but improvements were on a case basis as and when.
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2018, 02:35:52 pm »

yes, I think that maybe right - but repairs and maintenance can't really be planned five years in advance? Thus no schedule
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2018, 01:11:02 am »

yes, I think that maybe right - but repairs and maintenance can't really be planned five years in advance? Thus no schedule

Yes they can.  When I was S&T Engineer for the far SW they were always planned in 5-year chunks (but obviously moved around a bit as time progressed).
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2018, 08:43:41 am »

Renewals certainly can if included in the maintenance definition
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2018, 09:26:46 am »

Hello,

does anyone know when the CP6 announcement for 2019 - 2024 going to be? Seems really close now and surely they will need to make the final decision soon? Thanks.

There’s a timetable on ORR’s website, I believe 31 Oct is the next key date, when ORR publishes what is known as the “Final Determination” - for renewals and maintenance only though, as mentioned above.

http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/37239/live-timetable-for-pr18-and-description-of-key-milestones-version-1.9-august-2018.pdf

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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2018, 06:44:44 am »

yes, I think that maybe right - but repairs and maintenance can't really be planned five years in advance? Thus no schedule

Yes they can.  When I was S&T Engineer for the far SW they were always planned in 5-year chunks (but obviously moved around a bit as time progressed).

i agree, maintenance can be planned as much as renewals can be planned.  Within the maintenance budget will be replacement parts due to fair ware and tare and to a certain budget limit faulty items; there is a budget held by the Route HQ's called reactive funds this is for the larger failures.


The major difference with CP6 to other control periods is the budge from one year cannot roll over to the next (there is a % tolerance) this applies to all budgets, maintenance, reactive and projects (Opex and Capex)
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2018, 07:37:03 am »

The major difference with CP6 to other control periods is the budge from one year cannot roll over to the next (there is a % tolerance) this applies to all budgets, maintenance, reactive and projects (Opex and Capex)

Since they are not in the Acronyms and Abbreviations list and for information:

Opex = Operating expenditure
Capex = Capital expenditure
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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2018, 03:14:12 pm »

yes, I think that maybe right - but repairs and maintenance can't really be planned five years in advance? Thus no schedule

Yes they can.  When I was S&T Engineer for the far SW they were always planned in 5-year chunks (but obviously moved around a bit as time progressed).

i agree, maintenance can be planned as much as renewals can be planned.  Within the maintenance budget will be replacement parts due to fair ware and tare and to a certain budget limit faulty items; there is a budget held by the Route HQ's called reactive funds this is for the larger failures.


The major difference with CP6 to other control periods is the budge from one year cannot roll over to the next (there is a % tolerance) this applies to all budgets, maintenance, reactive and projects (Opex and Capex)

Thats interesting, ET.  That will keep them 'on their toes' as the saying goes Grin
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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2018, 03:17:17 pm »

Is this true even within the years of CP6?
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2018, 07:16:09 pm »

yes, I think that maybe right - but repairs and maintenance can't really be planned five years in advance? Thus no schedule

Yes they can.  When I was S&T Engineer for the far SW they were always planned in 5-year chunks (but obviously moved around a bit as time progressed).

i agree, maintenance can be planned as much as renewals can be planned.  Within the maintenance budget will be replacement parts due to fair ware and tare and to a certain budget limit faulty items; there is a budget held by the Route HQ's called reactive funds this is for the larger failures.


The major difference with CP6 to other control periods is the budge from one year cannot roll over to the next (there is a % tolerance) this applies to all budgets, maintenance, reactive and projects (Opex and Capex)

Thats interesting, ET.  That will keep them 'on their toes' as the saying goes Grin


Yes Investment Projects (IP) will struggle, however the Route Asset Managers (RAM) are already putting work banks together for "quick wins" to use their reactive works budgets if it looks likely they will underspend.


Is this true even within the years of CP6?

Yes, budgets have to be forecast for each year in CP6, basically use it or loose it, there are a few rules that allow a carry over but any carry over has to have ORR / DfT approval
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2018, 10:27:43 pm »

The major difference with CP6 to other control periods is the budge from one year cannot roll over to the next (there is a % tolerance) this applies to all budgets, maintenance, reactive and projects (Opex and Capex)

Since they are not in the Acronyms and Abbreviations list and for information:

Opex = Operating expenditure
Capex = Capital expenditure


They are now.
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