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« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2018, 07:44:31 am »

Not a breath of wind (nor any rain) as I type, where I live on the edge of Dartmoor......
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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2018, 07:52:25 am »

...just come back a bit quicker

Hopefully to report no problems and open the lines.

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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2018, 07:59:25 am »

Its probably too late to run a normal service now as all the rolling stock and train crew diagrams are probably too difficult to alter at short notice.
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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2018, 08:02:40 am »

There is a shuttle running between Newton Abbot and Paignton.  I have often wondered; could that not be extended to start and finish at Teignmouth using the crossover?
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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2018, 08:19:25 am »

One of these perhaps:

Indeed causing a lot of disruption and inconvenience for a lot of people this morning. Not a good advert for doing business in the South West.

Maybe we should rename Network Rail - Nanny Rail the fair weather railway.

The Met Office have to take some responsibility with their yellow warnings every time we get a bit of something called weather that causes the media and companies to over react. [Tin hat on]
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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2018, 09:12:31 am »

Met office yellow warnings seem to be of little relevance outside of the railway.
A yellow warning in effect means "expect seasonal weather"  and "expect disruption to rail services" whilst most of the non railway world carries on near normally during seasonal weather.

Fair weather only railway.

Amber and red warnings are of more relevance and can portend serious conditions.
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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2018, 09:25:08 am »

Could this be the start of "political" closures?
Network Rail using the slightest of warnings to close the line in an effort to get things moving on an alternative route, after all it has gone rather quiet on that issue...

Looking quite pleasant there now, even some hazy sunshine and people walking along the wall. If the line doesn't open for another 2-3 hours that will be disgraceful.
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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2018, 09:52:33 am »

Could this be the start of "political" closures?
Network Rail using the slightest of warnings to close the line in an effort to get things moving on an alternative route, after all it has gone rather quiet on that issue...

Playing into the hands of the current ministerial incumbent - Close the railway altogether. Angry
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2018, 10:33:00 am »

Met office yellow warnings seem to be of little relevance outside of the railway.
A yellow warning in effect means "expect seasonal weather"  and "expect disruption to rail services" whilst most of the non railway world carries on near normally during seasonal weather.

Fair weather only railway.

Amber and red warnings are of more relevance and can portend serious conditions.

This morning's Met Office yellow warning for the South West was for rain only - no wind (the next one, for Thursday/Friday, is for both.) Both events have similar forecast winds patterns at Dawlish, east of south, then turning via south (with the peak wind strength) to south-west - normal for a depression passing to the north. The highest wind forecast was higher for this morning (30 mph) that Friday, which looks a bit odd.

The inshore forecast did mention gales, but not the main (land) ones - again as normal, the presence of land reduces the wind strength even when you are still at sea (e.g. at a pier head, or a little further out). Of course the sea is more important at Dawlish, and the waves are formed by winds acting well out to sea and some time earlier, hence they are hard to forecast and the causes are not obvious to a land-based observer. Network rail have their own hydro- and meteoro-logical forcasts. This came up back you-know-when; the service was/had been provided by Mouchel (see this post); I have no information on the current situation, but I'm sure NR were relying on that (or a development of it) and other specialist forecasting.
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2018, 11:18:21 am »

Reopened....
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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2018, 11:46:13 am »

There is a monitoring buoy off West Bay, Dorset which shows waves of 3m with peak waves up to 6m from 21.00 yesterday to 10.00 today.
(http://www.channelcoast.org/data_management/real_time_data/charts/?chart=83)

Add to that the high spring tides of 5m at Dawlish, which are still predicted at 5m for Friday.
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2018, 12:52:23 pm »




Exeter Carriage Washer out of order.  Unit sent to Dawlish instead.
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« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2018, 05:21:04 pm »

Here we go again........

Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Newton Abbot
Due to forecasted severe weather between Exeter St Davids and Newton Abbot some lines are blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 40 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 20:30 08/11.
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Stagecoach bus route 2: Newton Abbot (Sherborne Rd) - Teignmouth - Dawlish (Green) - Starcross (Station) - Exeter (Bus Station), Stagecoach bus route H: Exeter (St David's) - Exeter (Central) - Digby & Sowton (Station), Stagecoach bus route B: Exeter St Thomas (Riverside Leisure Centre) Exeter (High Street) St James Park (Pennsylvania Road), Stagecoach bus route A: Exeter (St Thomas) - Exeter (High Street) and Stagecoach bus route 22: Dawlish Warren - Dawlish (The Green) - Teignmouth - Torquay (Strand) - Paignton (Bus Station) are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
Replacement road transport services are conveying passengers between Newton Abbot and Exeter St Davids in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2018, 05:52:31 pm »

The timing of that looks odd - no start given but disruption until 20:30. The Met Office yellow warning for wind and rain for the South West, which was issued for late tonight until the middle of tomorrow, is now timed for "Between 13:00 Fri 9th and 23:59 Fri 9th". The wind is forecast to peak above 38 mph from the south at about 17:00 and high tide is at 19:12.
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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2018, 06:16:10 pm »

Could this be the start of "political" closures?
Network Rail using the slightest of warnings to close the line in an effort to get things moving on an alternative route, after all it has gone rather quiet on that issue...

Looking quite pleasant there now, even some hazy sunshine and people walking along the wall. If the line doesn't open for another 2-3 hours that will be disgraceful.

Sadly Network Rail are uninterested in reopening the Okehampton route, as evidenced by their well-polished technique of sticking an extra 0 on any costings
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