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« on: May 30, 2019, 11:09:18 am »

Do you use any of ...

Par to Newquay
Truro to Falmouth
St Erth to St Ives
Oxford to Banbury
Reading to Gatwick
Cardiff to Swansea
Fareham to Brighton
Westbury to Weymouth
Reading to Basingstoke
Plymouth to Gunnislake
West Ealing to Greenford
Exeter St Davids to Exmouth
Twyford to Henley-on-Thames
Swindon to Westbury via Melksham
Maidenhead to Bourne End and Marlow
Worcester to Hereford via Great Malvern
Soutahmpton Central to Fareham via Eastleigh
Bristol to Gloucester, Cheltenham Spa and Worcester
Bristol Temple Meads to Avonmouth and Severn Beach

These are "white line" services not highlighted for any timetable changes come December.  Which does not always mean that there won't be any changes, as some/many/all will be adjusted to suit the needs of the coloured services on the following map with which they share stations.



Whilst we might have hoped that services on the white lines would be adjusted to ensure continued connections, that's certainly not always the case from data that I have seen; clearly something that's operationally sound is needed (and more trains on some coloured lines leaves less options for doing that), and then - seemingly second priority - is meeting the service level committement. Then there's what can be easily timetabled and that at times appears to come ahead of and drown out what the customers have been begging for.  And finally, if you're very lucky, connections with the retimed coloured expresses may work.

I do hope that GWR have listened and adjusted the 4 minute connection off the TransWilts onto the West of England train every 2 hours.  4 minutes means it won't be offered as a journey on the journey planners, and that passengers who take the risk will have a long and uncompensated wait at Westbury.  Good business for the buffet, but I expect the GWR will end up with some very very unhappy customers on days the TransWilts is delayed!

Not all bad news - there's a new 05:18 Westbury to Swindon (since the 05:17 Gloucester to Swindon is no longer there to feed the 06:07). But why not add an equal and opposite train at the end of the day in passenger service - say a train at 22:36 Swindon to Westbury rather than having an unbalanced service?

Suggestion ... many of the lines not being updated are community rail or ones with local user groups and now is an excellent time to help adding weight to any requests they have for small adjustment that would make a massive difference!

P.S. Interesting that the map shows Cardiff to Taunton services and Cardiff to Portsmouth services reversing at Bristol Parkway.  Planned, or misleading diagram??
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2019, 11:26:44 am »

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P.S. Interesting that the map shows Cardiff to Taunton services and Cardiff to Portsmouth services reversing at Bristol Parkway.  Planned, or misleading diagram??

Most probably a misleading diagram, I question whether there is capacity to re-route the 2 services to Parkway with a reversal as platform 4 is very often occupied by the Parkway - Weston all stops unit reversing/waiting time.
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2019, 11:44:10 am »

The odd Portsmouth trains that run via Eastleigh for route knowledge purposes will still get the same overall strengthening that the dark green line indicates, surely...

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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2019, 11:52:39 am »

The odd Portsmouth trains that run via Eastleigh for route knowledge purposes will still get the same overall strengthening that the dark green line indicates, surely...

Paul

Unless there are plans to drop the 5 car trains to 3 cars late in the evening when that would be plenty of capacity - and perhaps help get the 2 car units serviced and save fuel dragging needless carriages around?   On present timings, there are calls at Southampton Airport only at 22:11 and 22:12!
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2019, 11:52:57 am »

Cardiff to Swansea

Yes. Disappointing that it isn't going consistently half-hourly, rather than the current weird pattern of half-hourly in the morning peak, then hourly through the day and the evening peak to go back half-hourly after 1800. If they can do consistency for Cheltenham and Cornwall, they really should do it for the South Wales Main Line as well.

It's also disappointing that more trains aren't going to Carmarthen, as I'd much rather be in First Class for a journey of that length, especially when the competitor is TfW with its nastily short trains.

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P.S. Interesting that the map shows Cardiff to Taunton services and Cardiff to Portsmouth services reversing at Bristol Parkway.  Planned, or misleading diagram??

Perhaps they should have put Filton Abbey Wood on the map instead of Bristol Parkway, although that would make it look like South Wales was getting the same treatment as the West Country, with stations like Bristol Parkway moved to a new semi-fast service -- again, part of the disappointing disparity in treatment that South Wales is getting.
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2019, 11:59:18 am »

Cardiff to Swansea

Yes. Disappointing that it isn't going consistently half-hourly, rather than the current weird pattern of half-hourly in the morning peak, then hourly through the day and the evening peak to go back half-hourly after 1800. If they can do consistency for Cheltenham and Cornwall, they really should do it for the South Wales Main Line as well.

Good example of operational convenience, combined with Londoncentric planning - getting trains to and from the depot at Maliphant, and having half hourly trains to Swansea from London in the London peak, rather than from Cardiff in the Cardiff peak.
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2019, 10:19:51 pm »

It's not clear what this means for the Goring - Reading part of my commute - the Reading to Oxford (oh sorry we did not complete the electrification so shall we call that Didcot?) local stopping service.

Is there any indication of what is happening here?

It certainly is not good enough if there are no adjustments to the "white" line services to ensure that connections match with revised services, although from what I have read here lately there's already some large gaps already.
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2019, 10:47:38 pm »

Do you use any of ...

Par to Newquay
Truro to Falmouth
St Erth to St Ives
Oxford to Banbury
Reading to Gatwick
Cardiff to Swansea
Fareham to Brighton
Westbury to Weymouth
Reading to Basingstoke
Plymouth to Gunnislake
West Ealing to Greenford
Exeter St Davids to Exmouth
Twyford to Henley-on-Thames
Swindon to Westbury via Melksham
Maidenhead to Bourne End and Marlow
Worcester to Hereford via Great Malvern
Soutahmpton Central to Fareham via Eastleigh
Bristol to Gloucester, Cheltenham Spa and Worcester
Bristol Temple Meads to Avonmouth and Severn Beach

I am impressed with that curve. The formatting is surely deliberate isn't it?
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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2019, 04:48:36 am »

I am impressed with that curve. The formatting is surely deliberate isn't
Yes - deliberate formatting.  Avoids showing any bias towards any area or lines!
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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2019, 06:20:20 pm »

It's not clear what this means for the Goring - Reading part of my commute - the Reading to Oxford (oh sorry we did not complete the electrification so shall we call that Didcot?) local stopping service.

Is there any indication of what is happening here?

It certainly is not good enough if there are no adjustments to the "white" line services to ensure that connections match with revised services, although from what I have read here lately there's already some large gaps already.
I believe that there are no changes, see timetable changes thread, to the stopping services from Reading -Didcot - Oxford - Banbury I was hoping that the timetable changes would see improvements to this service especially since this service has been downgraded since electrification was postponed/cancelled. Most services on this route are formed of 2 carriage trains when previously they were almost always 3 carriage. Does anybody know whether GWR have any plans to rectify this situation?
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