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« Reply #240 on: July 07, 2019, 07:02:21 »

Regarding post on Hednesford turnarounds.

A few years ago now, in the time of Alison Forster as MD, FGW (First Great Western) had a timetable with a few minutes turnarounds at journeys ends and it didn't work, don't these big corporations EVER LEARN ?
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« Reply #241 on: July 07, 2019, 10:32:00 »

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Having said that the best that could be achieved was achieved

Holding the 19:30 departure by 6 minutes would have been have made it better
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« Reply #242 on: July 07, 2019, 11:11:05 »

The Great Malvern to Westbury and beyond seem to have a 20 min turn around on arrival at GMV. Even so a number regularly get turned around at Worcester due to late running. This puts pressure on shortening the circuit, say to Gloucester for these services, or even to Parkway.
However, if one builds in too great a turn around then inefficiencies in utilisation of stock and crews start to appear. It is a difficult balance.
With the arrival of the new franchise the Liverpool to Norwich service has been cut into two sections at Nottingham. This is seen as increasing punctuality but at the cost of through journeys for customers.
To what extent are these events being a response to the TOC (Train Operating Company) punctuality requirements?

This turn round time results from the ecs travelling to Malvern Wells to cross over to the right road, a move which takes 10 minutes on its own
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« Reply #243 on: July 07, 2019, 11:26:14 »

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Having said that the best that could be achieved was achieved

Holding the 19:30 departure by 6 minutes would have been have made it better

Indeed, and for this year (only) where you have trains capable of achieving better than the timetable, it should have made that time up.   Real Time Trains shows the 19:30 from Swindon to Taunton having longer-than-schedued stops in Chippenham, in Bath Spa and at Bristol Temple Meads as it waited for its timetabled departure.
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« Reply #244 on: July 07, 2019, 12:11:18 »

The Great Malvern to Westbury and beyond seem to have a 20 min turn around on arrival at GMV. Even so a number regularly get turned around at Worcester due to late running. This puts pressure on shortening the circuit, say to Gloucester for these services, or even to Parkway.
However, if one builds in too great a turn around then inefficiencies in utilisation of stock and crews start to appear. It is a difficult balance.
With the arrival of the new franchise the Liverpool to Norwich service has been cut into two sections at Nottingham. This is seen as increasing punctuality but at the cost of through journeys for customers.
To what extent are these events being a response to the TOC (Train Operating Company) punctuality requirements?

It's a hugely difficult balance to strike.   

Looking back to the summer 1999 timetable, trains from Weymouth only ran as far as Bristol, except for the final service of the day which ran to Swansea on Fridays, Cardiff on Monday to Thursday during the school holidays (joining with a train from Portsmouth at Westbury), and just to Westbury on summer Mondays to Thursdays outside the school holidays.   The extension up to Worcester was added to make for better turn around times at Bristol on Weymouth and on Worcester trains, and I think the further extension to Malvern was added when both Wales and West and Central were National Express franchises and the service level needed was, again, one train more efficient using the Wales and West unit rather than the Central one.

Once the services which historically were not linked come together, how much extra traffic is generated?   I don't know but unscientific observation suggests that most people change at Bristol Temple Meads.  There is no requirement for the service to be joined ( http://gwr.passenger.chat/gwr_slc3b.pdf ) (my bolding of the word "may")

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Services may be joined to services specified in Route G1a (Bristol Temple Meads – Taunton), Route G1b (Bristol Temple Meads – Weston-super- Mare) or Route F2b (Bristol Temple Meads – Westbury)

and indeed there is no requirement for them to be joined at Westbury

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WESTBURY – WEYMOUTH

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1.1 Services shall be provided between Westbury and Weymouth calling at Frome, Bruton, Castle Cary, Yeovil Pen Mill, Yetminster, Maiden Newton and Dorchester West.

1.2 Limited Stops shall be made at Thornford, Chetnole and Upwey.

1.3 Services may be joined to services specified in Route F2b (Bristol Temple Meads - Westbury) or Route F5 (Westbury – Swindon).

In the case of Westbury, there is a considerable volume of "through hub" traffic, and splitting the route there would be much more than an operational matter - it would matter to passengers and should matter to the Community Rail Partnership(s) for the line.

It's not unknown to have a late running Weymouth to Malvern train terminate at Bristol Temple Meads, and an extra train started from there to complete the journey and get the diagram back on time. Through passengers are undoubtedly inconvenienced, though I wouldn't like to put numbers on them;  with a change to a Cross Country service, anyone from the Weymouth line to Bristol Parkway or Cheltenham Spa has a fallback train, and passengers for Filton Abbey Wood can probably get a Cardiff train quite soon.

Other splits talked about in the past include all Cross Country services at Birmingham New Street ... now that so much of the really long distance traffic has been lost to air ...
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« Reply #245 on: July 08, 2019, 05:38:14 »

Regarding post on Hednesford turnarounds.

A few years ago now, in the time of Alison Forster as MD, FGW (First Great Western) had a timetable with a few minutes turnarounds at journeys ends and it didn't work, don't these big corporations EVER LEARN ?

It seems there may be caution creeping in on Teeside - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-48901117

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Plans for a direct train to run from Manchester to Saltburn will not go ahead because of timetable problems, transport chiefs have revealed.

Last year Transport for the North (TfN) said the TransPennine Express route would go direct to East Cleveland. But now officers at the Tees Valley Combined Authority (TVCA) have announced the service will only run as far as Redcar. Steve Payne, of the TVCA, said the service would be too costly.

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Mr Payne said: "It's been a major challenge to build in extra time at both the Manchester Airport end and the Middlesbrough end to ensure that the timetable can be operated reliably.
 
"The turnarounds were too tight in the existing franchise so they were not able to make those commitments to Saltburn.

"What this means is there isn't now the slack to run on to Saltburn without significant extra cost - it would require an additional train."
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« Reply #246 on: July 14, 2019, 06:31:44 »

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10:47 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 11:37
12:12 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington due 13:11
12:30 London Paddington to Cheltenham Spa due 14:46
14:35 Westbury to Swindon due 15:19
15:28 Swindon to Westbury due 16:08

15:46 Cheltenham Spa to London Paddington due 18:07
18:45 Westbury to Swindon due 19:27
19:53 Swindon to Westbury due 20:34

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14:35 Westbury to Swindon due 15:19
14:35 Westbury to Swindon due 15:19 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
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If you hold a valid single, return, or weekly ticket, you will be able to claim compensation for delays of 15 minutes or more. Please keep your ticket and visit GWR (Great Western Railway).com/DelayRepay
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« Reply #247 on: July 16, 2019, 17:09:54 »

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17:36 Swindon to Westbury due 18:18 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault on this train.
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« Reply #248 on: July 16, 2019, 17:12:02 »

16:21 Westbury to Swindon due 17:03
16:21 Westbury to Swindon due 17:03 was terminated at Chippenham.
It will no longer call at Swindon.
This is due to a fault on this train.
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« Reply #249 on: July 16, 2019, 21:25:30 »

16:21 Westbury to Swindon due 17:03 was terminated at Chippenham.
It will no longer call at Swindon.
This is due to a fault on this train.

Not surprised at this - I was on that train up until Melksham and it was definitely limping, if that's the right word. It took it at least three attempts to pull away from Melksham, and there's no slope to speak of heading north.
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« Reply #250 on: July 20, 2019, 10:55:12 »

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Due to a fault with the signalling system between Melksham and Chippenham the line is blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or diverted. Disruption is expected until 11:45 20/07.

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10:36 Swindon to Westbury due 11:20
10:36 Swindon to Westbury due 11:20 is being delayed at Swindon.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
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« Reply #251 on: July 20, 2019, 11:18:12 »

Well let's hope they get it sorted out before anybody starts asking awkward questions in Melksham this afternoon  Grin
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11:32 Westbury to Swindon due 12:20
12:36 Swindon to Westbury due 13:20

12:36 Swindon to Westbury due 13:20 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
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« Reply #253 on: July 20, 2019, 11:26:23 »

The 1036 ex-Swindon left at 1120, 44 late. I wonder how far it will get?
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« Reply #254 on: July 20, 2019, 12:08:17 »

The 1036 ex-Swindon left at 1120, 44 late. I wonder how far it will get?

Bathampton Junction is the answer, it just departed from there at 12:05 heading for Westbury.
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