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« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2019, 22:45:54 »


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I thought carefully before posting on a main board thread
 

Oh, for goodness sake, don't be so pious! You wanted to start a discussion on this tedious subject, so you thought you would inflict it on this forum.

Piousness was not my intent; sorry I came across that way

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Well, that is all I have to say on the subject. If I am not banned, then I may continue to make the odd contribution on other subjects.

Why on earth would you be banned??

Indeed having taken such a very considered view (and come to something of a different perspective to I did) I really hope you're joining us on 9th Feb and in other threads too as we look forward with the Coffee Shop.   My  view is that much of the strength comes from the wide 'church' of opinions and directions - which even when shared with consideration may meant that some posts are not totally the cup of tea of some members.  "Broad Church" => our strength??
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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2019, 22:49:17 »

If anyone tries to put a political slant on anything I have said, then that says more about their mentality than it does about me.

But it's okay for you to put a political slant on something someone else has said?
Perhaps Comrade Corbyn pressed the red button. In which case it was probably not armed.
A topic about a delay to a train David Cameron was on. You shoe-horned in a clumsy, barely amusing, dig at Jeremy's Corbyn's view on nuclear weapons, along with the typical moniker 'Comrade', used by those who speak negatively of the Leader of the Opposition.

If that is the case, then I apologise to Lord Adonis for accusing him of making the letter public (though not for writing the whingeing letter in the first place). My assumption that he was responsible was based entirely on the title of the thread as I fail to see the point of a "stonking" letter that was not intended for public consumption. In that case, who exactly is this mysterious Mr "No 10" who has "leaked" this confidential letter, and how do they justify a breach of confidence that would not be tolerated by those of us with real jobs and responsibilities? Presumably "No 10" is either a euphemism for the prime minister, who will pretend to know nothing about it if the going gets tough, or is a maverick accomplice of the prime minister who has done this off their own bat. And what would be the point anyway? We are used to them finding any old excuse to say Bad Things about The Other Side, but in this case, as I understand it, they seem to be stirring up bad publicity about someone on their own committee.
I do detest this sort of public whingeing. If you are going to resign, then just do it and move on - there is no point in writing a letter to your employer about it. That is, if it is a genuine resignation, rather than a "if you don't give me what I want, I'm going to resign - OK, then, see you - hang on, I didn't really mean it; you're supposed to say 'please don't go; I'll give you whatever you want'" sort of resignation. And for goodness' sake, just keep it between yourselves - this current fad for making your letters public in a cringeworthy "I'm going to get my friends onto you" sort of way is something I would hope most of us had grown out of since the toddler-having-a-tantrum-in-a-supermarket" phase.
What's this? Could it be you commenting on a political matter? Those posts were unconscious involvement in that particular thread were they?

Now, those posts I've found are negative comments about Labour politicians - the party leader, and a former Labour cabinet minister. This thread has some negativity about a Conservative politician. Is that perhaps the issue, rather than your supposed dislike of seeing wider political discussion on this forum?

Oh, and grahame pious? He's one of the least 'holier than thou' administrators of any forum I contribute to.
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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2019, 23:06:10 »


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I wasn't saying that you can't avoid politics (nobody can, but that wasn't what I was saying):  I was saying that you can't avoid the fact that everything about the railway is political.

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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2019, 23:09:59 »

I'm an analyst.

I see a thread that was started to provide an opportunity to discuss the wider politics of the transport minister has ended up with hardly any follow ups at all on that.   Grin Grin

We have lead on to a discussion on how far into politics and political issues we should go (and indeed if we can define politics) which ideally would be best somewhere like "news and assistance" or "intro and chat" but at this point I'm not going to meddle with trying to split it

And we have started to come close to personal picking on each other ... let's desist from that temptation, shall we.  Otherwise, healthy thread which I'm sure will be overtaken by something more exciting tomorrow.
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2019, 08:55:05 »

And we have started to come close to personal picking on each other ... let's desist from that temptation, shall we.

T'will always happen if you open a discussion board to full-on politics....hence my request to at least keep it on-topic (transport-related)
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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2019, 13:14:17 »

And we have started to come close to personal picking on each other ... let's desist from that temptation, shall we.

T'will always happen if you open a discussion board to full-on politics....hence my request to at least keep it on-topic (transport-related)

But it is not transport related is it, I see it as subjects outside transport as in its heading?.
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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2019, 13:17:03 »

I See it as Chris Grayling worried about other parts of politics, such as Brexit, He looks very worried in case we have a no deal Brexit.
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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2019, 15:06:05 »

That's Grayling with a capital 'G'

ok, I think the point is made, no more from me.
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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2019, 15:08:03 »

That's Grayling with a capital 'G'

ok, I think the point is made, no more from me.

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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2019, 15:59:19 »

That's Grayling with a capital 'G'


Oh, I dunno. I've always thought there's something a little fishy about him.
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« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2019, 18:41:20 »

I wouldn't want too much politics if only because its one way to start an argument. Oh no it isn't....

I do, however, find these 'asides' on the Transport Minister interesting as it helps sets their views in a wider context. Chris Grayling from what I know of him is very dogmatic in his politics and free market focused and I could see that influencing policy on Transport or where he'd like to take it.
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« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2019, 21:38:23 »


My take on Grayling is that he owes his position to three things; his loyalty to the leadership, his submission to the Treasury and his general ineffectiveness.

The first makes him Cabinet material, the second qualifies him to lead a spending department, the third poses no leadership challenge.

Our railways' electrification and other woes are either self inflicted (big over-budget schemes need to be spotted and stopped quickly) or are a previous SoS's fault, particularly Labour's Lord Adonis who rightly saw electrification's advantages but didn't allow for the limitations of the Industry that his lot had mostly created.

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« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2019, 22:17:21 »


... limitations of the Industry that his lot had mostly created.


Which limitations are those? Who are 'his lot'? - the Labour Party? Peers? The patriarchy? The Adonis Family?
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« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2019, 22:59:38 »

The Brexit thing rattles on again, looks like were going to get a no deal.
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« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2019, 00:01:36 »

Quote from: Red Squirrel link=topic=20923.msg256575#msg256575

Which limitations are those? Who are 'his lot'? - the Labour Party? Peers? The patriarchy? The Adonis Family?


The Industry was limited by the loss of its electrification staff and kit (such as those quaint flat-roofed 501 cars!) - its corporate memory, in effect.

The "lot" were those who created RT/NR» (Network Rail - home page), of all parties and none.

Further debate on this ought to be elsewhere.

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