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Author Topic: Tarka Line Overcrowding Problem To Be Solved  (Read 12332 times)
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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2019, 11:22:04 am »


Hello,

I am a frequent user of the Tarka Line as Barnstaple is my local station and yes it does get very overcrowded on particular journeys atm. Do we know when the 158s will be appearing on the Tarka line, or has that yet to be declared?

Thanks in advance Smiley

I'm afraid we still don't know just yet.  The full introduction of 158s will be when the improved timetable is introduced, hopefully December, because the 158s can't be used on Exmouth services - the increased time at stations for people to get on/off the trains would simply wreck the timetable.  Still not many 158s in Devon & Cornwall yet but when more arrive, I have heard suggestions that some off peak services may go to 158s and run only between Barnstaple and Exeter St Davids, with an immediate change into a 150/143 running the rest of the service to Central and Exmouth.  We'll see.
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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2019, 11:44:51 am »


Hello,

I am a frequent user of the Tarka Line as Barnstaple is my local station and yes it does get very overcrowded on particular journeys atm. Do we know when the 158s will be appearing on the Tarka line, or has that yet to be declared?

Thanks in advance Smiley

I'm afraid we still don't know just yet.  The full introduction of 158s will be when the improved timetable is introduced, hopefully December, because the 158s can't be used on Exmouth services - the increased time at stations for people to get on/off the trains would simply wreck the timetable.  Still not many 158s in Devon & Cornwall yet but when more arrive, I have heard suggestions that some off peak services may go to 158s and run only between Barnstaple and Exeter St Davids, with an immediate change into a 150/143 running the rest of the service to Central and Exmouth.  We'll see.

If that is the case I suspect that the change of trains will deter some folk from travelling. Better to run the 158s up to Central and reverse at Exmouth Jct. I seem to recall that, (eventually), the Barnstaple trains would extend to Honiton/Axminster whilst the Paignton trains would continue to Exmouth?
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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2019, 11:56:13 am »


Hello,

I am a frequent user of the Tarka Line as Barnstaple is my local station and yes it does get very overcrowded on particular journeys atm. Do we know when the 158s will be appearing on the Tarka line, or has that yet to be declared?

Thanks in advance Smiley

I'm afraid we still don't know just yet.  The full introduction of 158s will be when the improved timetable is introduced, hopefully December, because the 158s can't be used on Exmouth services - the increased time at stations for people to get on/off the trains would simply wreck the timetable.  Still not many 158s in Devon & Cornwall yet but when more arrive, I have heard suggestions that some off peak services may go to 158s and run only between Barnstaple and Exeter St Davids, with an immediate change into a 150/143 running the rest of the service to Central and Exmouth.  We'll see.

If that is the case I suspect that the change of trains will deter some folk from travelling. Better to run the 158s up to Central and reverse at Exmouth Jct. I seem to recall that, (eventually), the Barnstaple trains would extend to Honiton/Axminster whilst the Paignton trains would continue to Exmouth?

 The 158 worked Barnstaples are planned to work to and from St, James Park.  158s do get to Exmouth on an odd occasion and, in the past and before they emigrated from the West Country, have had booked working there
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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2019, 01:45:15 pm »


Hello,

I am a frequent user of the Tarka Line as Barnstaple is my local station and yes it does get very overcrowded on particular journeys atm. Do we know when the 158s will be appearing on the Tarka line, or has that yet to be declared?

Thanks in advance Smiley

I'm afraid we still don't know just yet.  The full introduction of 158s will be when the improved timetable is introduced, hopefully December, because the 158s can't be used on Exmouth services - the increased time at stations for people to get on/off the trains would simply wreck the timetable.  Still not many 158s in Devon & Cornwall yet but when more arrive, I have heard suggestions that some off peak services may go to 158s and run only between Barnstaple and Exeter St Davids, with an immediate change into a 150/143 running the rest of the service to Central and Exmouth.  We'll see.

If that is the case I suspect that the change of trains will deter some folk from travelling. Better to run the 158s up to Central and reverse at Exmouth Jct. I seem to recall that, (eventually), the Barnstaple trains would extend to Honiton/Axminster whilst the Paignton trains would continue to Exmouth?

I take the point but to run up to Central and then reverse at Exmouth Jn is what will happen when the timetable change is made and the improved service introduced.  It is not possible to make any change like that beforehand, mainly because of the national clampdown on timetable changes following on from last year's Northern etc problems.

Yes, the Exmouths will go to Paignton when the timetable change is made - the Barnstaples going beyond to Honiton/Axminster depends on a loop probably around Whimple.  Think it will happen one day, providing Honiton and Cranbrook with a half hourly Exeter service is a big local aspiration, shared by Devon and the rail operators, but obviously these things aren't usually quick.



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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2019, 01:48:09 pm »

The 158 worked Barnstaples are planned to work to and from St, James Park.  158s do get to Exmouth on an odd occasion and, in the past and before they emigrated from the West Country, have had booked working there

Agree but there is pretty much a blanket ban on 158s going to Exmouth now - not because of any technical or gauging issues, but simply dwell time at stations. 
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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2019, 02:13:50 pm »

The 158 worked Barnstaples are planned to work to and from St, James Park.  158s do get to Exmouth on an odd occasion and, in the past and before they emigrated from the West Country, have had booked working there

Agree but there is pretty much a blanket ban on 158s going to Exmouth now - not because of any technical or gauging issues, but simply dwell time at stations. 


One day approx 2 months ago, may be a little more, a 158 worked an Exmouth, Paignton, Barnstaple diagram all day.
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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2019, 02:37:03 pm »

The 158 worked Barnstaples are planned to work to and from St, James Park.  158s do get to Exmouth on an odd occasion and, in the past and before they emigrated from the West Country, have had booked working there

Agree but there is pretty much a blanket ban on 158s going to Exmouth now - not because of any technical or gauging issues, but simply dwell time at stations. 


One day approx 2 months ago, may be a little more, a 158 worked an Exmouth, Paignton, Barnstaple diagram all day.

That must have been out of pure desperation due to lack of alternative stock.  If it wasn't, there will have been ructions in GWR!
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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2019, 06:12:28 pm »

158763 was parked up at Exeter TMD on Thursday. Would this possibly be for either driver or fitter training? Or just entirely coincidental?
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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2019, 11:40:40 am »

The 158 worked Barnstaples are planned to work to and from St, James Park.  158s do get to Exmouth on an odd occasion and, in the past and before they emigrated from the West Country, have had booked working there

Agree but there is pretty much a blanket ban on 158s going to Exmouth now - not because of any technical or gauging issues, but simply dwell time at stations. 


158763 working on Devon Metro today including Barnstaple and Exmouth.    Could be pulled later though

One day approx 2 months ago, may be a little more, a 158 worked an Exmouth, Paignton, Barnstaple diagram all day.

That must have been out of pure desperation due to lack of alternative stock.  If it wasn't, there will have been ructions in GWR!

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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2019, 02:12:15 pm »

Just replying to Phile's message immedately above about 158763 being out on Barnstaple/Exmouth today, again I think that must be pure desperation.  I have had it from on high in GWR that they really don't want to be using 158s on Exmouths.  I'm not making it up!
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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2019, 02:23:58 pm »

Just replying to Phile's message immedately above about 158763 being out on Barnstaple/Exmouth today, again I think that must be pure desperation.  I have had it from on high in GWR that they really don't want to be using 158s on Exmouths.  I'm not making it up!

There is STP working today due Engineering work and it came down from Bristol (158 diagram) and terminated Newton Abbot and then amended diagram going to Exeter Central, Barnstaple and Exmouth
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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2019, 11:41:47 pm »

Just replying to Phile's message immedately above about 158763 being out on Barnstaple/Exmouth today, again I think that must be pure desperation.  I have had it from on high in GWR that they really don't want to be using 158s on Exmouths.  I'm not making it up!

There is STP working today due Engineering work and it came down from Bristol (158 diagram) and terminated Newton Abbot and then amended diagram going to Exeter Central, Barnstaple and Exmouth

Sounds like the typical 'to be avoided' scenario, but 'not at all costs!'
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« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2019, 10:54:37 am »

Just replying to Phile's message immedately above about 158763 being out on Barnstaple/Exmouth today, again I think that must be pure desperation.  I have had it from on high in GWR that they really don't want to be using 158s on Exmouths.  I'm not making it up!

There is STP working today due Engineering work and it came down from Bristol (158 diagram) and terminated Newton Abbot and then amended diagram going to Exeter Central, Barnstaple and Exmouth

Sounds like the typical 'to be avoided' scenario, but 'not at all costs!'

158766 worked 0921 Paignton to Exmouth this morning
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« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2019, 11:43:30 am »

I've been mulling it over but am failing to reach a conclusion by myself so will reach out with this query - what in particular is it about the 158s that causes such an increase in dwell times compared to the 150/143s ?

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« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2019, 11:47:39 am »

I'm guessing it's to do with having the external doors at the ends rather than in the middle.
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