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Author Topic: Why are First Enviro 400s freezers on wheels ?  (Read 567 times)
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« on: January 31, 2019, 06:51:29 am »

Just why oh why have First invested millions in these buses, only for them not to have any heating that can be controlled by the driver ? It is no fun for the elderly and unwell to sit in a damp icebox for over an hour. Upstairs is no better, the condensation is so bad it leaves pools on the seats. I would like to lock Mr James  Freeman into one of these buses for a day.... Angry
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2019, 10:02:47 am »

The 400mmcs in Cornwall are lovely and warm. Passengers all comment how toasty they are.
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2019, 06:18:07 pm »

The ones I use a beautifully warm and the seats are comfortable too. Great improvement.
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2019, 06:38:01 pm »

Am so fed up with the buses being so cold up here, I raised a concern with HSE inviting them to sample what we poor shivering Bristolians have to put up with.
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2019, 06:10:40 pm »

If you are meaning the 400 MMCs then I am quite surprised to see that they are not driver set. We have some that are lovey and warm compared to the normal 400s which take a while to warm up.
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2019, 07:10:42 pm »

The 400MMC buses Reading have need to have the ignition switched on about two minutes before the engine has started to reset all the electronics, including the heating. A common problem was taking over one of these vehicles where the heating wasn't working because the previous driver hadn't reset the bus bus first thing in the morning. This would then require delay where you had to switch everything off including the master switch and then switch it all back on allowing time for the electronics to reset. This could cause about 4/5 minutes delay which, with the tight running times R.B have, could mean running late for the rest of your shift. Cold bus on time or warm bus late was the choice. It's worth noting that this reset always worked.
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2019, 05:07:05 pm »

The 400MMC buses Reading have need to have the ignition switched on about two minutes before the engine has started to reset all the electronics, including the heating. A common problem was taking over one of these vehicles where the heating wasn't working because the previous driver hadn't reset the bus bus first thing in the morning. This would then require delay where you had to switch everything off including the master switch and then switch it all back on allowing time for the electronics to reset. This could cause about 4/5 minutes delay which, with the tight running times R.B have, could mean running late for the rest of your shift. Cold bus on time or warm bus late was the choice. It's worth noting that this reset always worked.
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Don't know about the heating. FK new vehciles seems to auto start with the heating on auto at the outset.
However, anything to do with a master reset (switch off everything and wait..) will involve many minutes delay which will add to your already late running as there is NO spare in runs.  You might be lucky to have perhaps a 10 minute turn around at one end of your run, but if you arrive 10 minutes late, there is no layover.
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2019, 06:54:09 pm »

I think this situation is all over with running times (except probably that big london). Bus management feed off each other with regards to money saving ideas. Reading Buses used to be different, used to still have corporation values well into the early 2000's. But when the bus branding idea came along all that changed, the multi route run cards all disappeared and if a route could just about be done in 50 minutes, it would be. The bus industry really needs to change it's approach.
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2019, 06:57:08 pm »

The 400MMC buses Reading have need to have the ignition switched on about two minutes before the engine has started to reset all the electronics, including the heating. A common problem was taking over one of these vehicles where the heating wasn't working because the previous driver hadn't reset the bus bus first thing in the morning. This would then require delay where you had to switch everything off including the master switch and then switch it all back on allowing time for the electronics to reset. This could cause about 4/5 minutes delay which, with the tight running times R.B have, could mean running late for the rest of your shift. Cold bus on time or warm bus late was the choice. It's worth noting that this reset always worked.
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Don't know about the heating. FK new vehciles seems to auto start with the heating on auto at the outset.
However, anything to do with a master reset (switch off everything and wait..) will involve many minutes delay which will add to your already late running as there is NO spare in runs.  You might be lucky to have perhaps a 10 minute turn around at one end of your run, but if you arrive 10 minutes late, there is no layover.

I was told ours at FK are set to 21/22 and only engineers have access to adjust. Mine was toasty this week, I needed to turn the cab fan on I was cooking!
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