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« Reply #60 on: June 07, 2019, 09:59:26 pm »

Where are you getting those Bournemouth to London fares from grahame? They don't tally with BRFares or SWR's booking engine.

Anytime Return £118.00
Anytime Day Return £115.20
Off Peak Return £62.40
Off Peak Day Return £61.30
Super Off Peak Day Return £55.30
Weekend Super Off Peak Day Return £54.30
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« Reply #61 on: June 07, 2019, 10:05:38 pm »

Where are you getting those Bournemouth to London fares from grahame? They don't tally with BRFares or SWR's booking engine.

Anytime Return £118.00
Anytime Day Return £115.20
Off Peak Return £62.40
Off Peak Day Return £61.30
Super Off Peak Day Return £55.30
Weekend Super Off Peak Day Return £54.30


BR Fares - http://www.brfares.com/#!fares?orig=PAD&dest=BMH ... just noticed "PAD" - but it does say 'ticket issued to London terminals".   Have I found a fare that differs depending on which end you start at??
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« Reply #62 on: June 07, 2019, 10:10:07 pm »

You have.

Your post was comparing fares TO London, but for Bournemouth you used fares FROM London, which are considerably cheaper in that direction. A not uncommon thing with fares in the former Network SouthEast area.
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« Reply #63 on: June 07, 2019, 10:21:43 pm »

You have.

Your post was comparing fares TO London, but for Bournemouth you used fares FROM London, which are considerably cheaper in that direction. A not uncommon thing with fares in the former Network SouthEast area.

Let's see how it looks the other way round:

-EveshamChippenhamBournemouth
7 day season£218.10£282.30£173.60
anytime return£83.00£178.00£61.60 £115.20 *
ratio2.621.592.81 1.54
distance100 miles98 miles107 miles
anytime ppm41.5p90.8p28.8p 53.8p
season ppm21.8p28.8p16.2p
off peak return£71.10£74.60£57.00 £61.30
super off peak return£53.40£55.90£50.50 & £55.30

I will go back and add a caution to the earlier post ...
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« Reply #64 on: June 07, 2019, 11:13:34 pm »

Thanks to Graham for giving us more information, especially on regulated and unregulated fares. I have to admit that this particular area is sometning I now little or nothing about.

One matter intrigued me, however. Graham quoted a 7 day season CPM PAD to be £282.30. I used a figure of £250.70 which also appears on BR fares as an option ( http://www.brfares.com/#!fares?orig=CPM&dest=PAD )

Can someone explain why these two figures appear, because on the face of it they seem to be offering the same thing?


PS - I've been meaning to respond to Mac's post about Templecombe to Exeter and Tiverton Parkway fares for a couple of days now, but I haven't yet got to it! And it is likely I won't be now because this year's 14 day all line rover starts in the morning and I'm off to Lincoln and Barnetby in a few hours, so time for bed Smiley
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« Reply #65 on: June 07, 2019, 11:35:31 pm »

Have a good trip Robin
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« Reply #66 on: June 08, 2019, 03:26:12 am »

One matter intrigued me, however. Graham quoted a 7 day season CPM PAD to be £282.30. I used a figure of £250.70 which also appears on BR fares as an option ( http://www.brfares.com/#!fares?orig=CPM&dest=PAD )

Can someone explain why these two figures appear, because on the face of it they seem to be offering the same thing?

You can buy a season for 1 week, or for any period from 1 to 12 months.  Longer odd periods are "pro rata"ed off the £250.70 week figure, with extra discount / holiday allowance off the annual one (and others??) to allow for holidays (bank ones and yours).   

£250.70 - Validity - Any period from 1 month to 12 months
£282.30 - Validity - 7 days

For examples (and to try this example) see http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/seasonticket/search




Enjoy your rover ... if you head for Retford after Barnetby - hope you get a seat!   I was on that train in the other direction last Saturday and - well - it was packed.  Conductor muttering that they should have given him something with more capacity than a 153 as he foresaw the problems getting everyone on along the way!
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« Reply #67 on: June 08, 2019, 08:54:31 am »

* “More than eight in 10 (85%) think it’s important that the fares system is updated to enable flexible workers to save money.

Or in other words (as I read it) “we don’t want to pay peak rate fares and we want cheaper railway tickets.” Or, in some cases, “its not fair that I have to pay £100 for my peak return to Paddington when other people only pay £20 with an advance ticket, so we should both pay the same.

It's not just about peak rate fares.  There are also a lot of commuters who use the train 3 or 4 days a week and therefore can't take advantage of season ticket discounts.  And there are others who work night shift and so day returns don't suit them very well.

That's a very good point - the world of work is changing, fewer and fewer people work 9-5 and the railways should reflect this - a lot of people work flexibly and/or from home 1 or 2 days a week, a "loadable" season ticket which is on an Oyster card type system and is valid for 30 days worth of trips rather than a calendar month would be a good step forward.
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« Reply #68 on: June 08, 2019, 12:40:07 pm »

* “More than eight in 10 (85%) think it’s important that the fares system is updated to enable flexible workers to save money.

Or in other words (as I read it) “we don’t want to pay peak rate fares and we want cheaper railway tickets.” Or, in some cases, “its not fair that I have to pay £100 for my peak return to Paddington when other people only pay £20 with an advance ticket, so we should both pay the same.

It's not just about peak rate fares.  There are also a lot of commuters who use the train 3 or 4 days a week and therefore can't take advantage of season ticket discounts.  And there are others who work night shift and so day returns don't suit them very well.

That's a very good point - the world of work is changing, fewer and fewer people work 9-5 and the railways should reflect this - a lot of people work flexibly and/or from home 1 or 2 days a week, a "loadable" season ticket which is on an Oyster card type system and is valid for 30 days worth of trips rather than a calendar month would be a good step forward.

As someone who worked nights for many years the travel costs were always a bit frustrating. Yes I could buy a season ticket but as I was always travelling against the general flow it never felt good value. I also worked 12 or 14 hour shifts which is a similar point to Taplow Green's about flexible working. And a purely self inflicted cost but it was always a faff buying tickets each night or in the morning when you're pretty much brain dead so I tended to play safe with a season.

In my current role my annual season is borderline value but often its the convenience of always having a ticket as well as not knowing what days I might be working that wins me over. While an Oyster card type system would be great for me I can't see what's in it for the train companies?
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« Reply #69 on: June 08, 2019, 04:53:07 pm »

Following on from somebodies passing comment about London Travelcard.Went up to London today and ended up on the bike one station outside Zone 6. £4.90 to go one station!

Did they used to do a wider London travelcard, out to Zone 8 or 9? Certainly not offered today.
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« Reply #70 on: June 08, 2019, 05:31:12 pm »

Zone 1-9 (along with numerous other zone options) still exist, but only cover certain areas outside zone 6 - most typically stations towards Amersham / Watford
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« Reply #71 on: June 08, 2019, 10:31:50 pm »

Quote from: grahame
Enjoy your rover ... if you head for Retford after Barnetby - hope you get a seat!   I was on that train in the other direction last Saturday and - well - it was packed.  Conductor muttering that they should have given him something with more capacity than a 153 as he foresaw the problems getting everyone on along the way!

Thanks for explaining my season ticket conundrum.

As regards the rover (going off topic now Smiley ) I did Sheffield to Cleethorpes via Retford last year in a 2-car 143 where I got a seat because I started at the beginning of the journey, although there were plenty of seats available even on a hot Saturday in July (right in the middle of last year's heatwave).

Today's trip was Chippenham-Paddington-St Pancras-Nottingham (HST)- Lincoln-Barnetby (lunch at the chip shop 200 yds from the station!)-Newark-KGX-Padd-Chippenham. 522 miles and just over 7p per mile if you divide the rail rover cost by 14!

Tomorrow is a shorter one - Okehampton if I make the 6-minute connection at EXD off the first train of the day going south west from Chippenham, or Totnes and the South Devon Railway if I don't!

I will resume my normal service on "Fares fair" when I get the chance  Grin

(edited because I clearly don't know my Retfords from my Newarks...)

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