Train GraphicClick on the map to explore geographics
 
I need help
FAQ
Emergency
About .
Travel & transport from BBC stories as at 18:55 19 Apr 2024
* Some Welsh roads to revert to 30mph after backlash
Read about the forum [here].
Register [here] - it's free.
What do I gain from registering? [here]
 02/06/24 - Summer Timetable starts
17/08/24 - Bus to Imber
27/09/25 - 200 years of passenger trains

On this day
19th Apr (1938)
Foundation, Beatties of London (link)

Train RunningCancelled
19:02 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads
19:18 London Paddington to Swansea
19:23 London Paddington to Oxford
21:02 Oxford to London Paddington
Short Run
15:50 Penzance to Gloucester
PollsThere are no open or recent polls
Abbreviation pageAcronymns and abbreviations
Stn ComparatorStation Comparator
Rail newsNews Now - live rail news feed
Site Style 1 2 3 4
Next departures • Bristol Temple MeadsBath SpaChippenhamSwindonDidcot ParkwayReadingLondon PaddingtonMelksham
Exeter St DavidsTauntonWestburyTrowbridgeBristol ParkwayCardiff CentralOxfordCheltenham SpaBirmingham New Street
April 19, 2024, 19:08:28 *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Forgotten your username or password? - get a reminder
Most recently liked subjects
[333] Rail to refuge / Travel to refuge
[69] Rail delay compensation payments hit £100 million
[53] Somerset and Dorset Devonshire Tunnel flood
[30] Difficult to argue with e-bike/scooter rules?
[28] Signage - not making it easy ...
[6] IETs at Melksham
 
News: A forum for passengers ... with input from rail professionals welcomed too
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  
Linked Events
  • Steam on the District: June 22, 2019 - June 23, 2019
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: 22nd and 23rd June 2019 - Steam from Ealing Broadway to High Street Kensington  (Read 6109 times)
grahame
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 40784



View Profile WWW Email
« on: February 24, 2019, 16:42:19 »

From IanVisits about a month ago.

Quote
In conjunction with the London Transport Museum, TfL» (Transport for London - about) will run a steam train along the District line later this year. The modernisation of signalling on the Hammersmith & City, District, Circle and Metropolitan lines means that this will be the last time a steam train will be able to travel through the central section of the Underground.

Details of the steam train tours will be announced later this year.

I've not seen any dates yet ...
Logged

Coffee Shop Admin, Acting Chair of Melksham Rail User Group, Option 24/7 Melksham Rep
grahame
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 40784



View Profile WWW Email
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2019, 20:19:05 »

From the Ealing Times

Quote
A VINTAGE steam train will run between Ealing Broadway and High Street Kensington as the London Transport Museum and TfL» (Transport for London - about) celebrate 150 years of the District Line.

Three return journeys will take place on both Saturday and Sunday June 22 and 23.

Tickets to travel aboard will go on sale on LT Museum’s website at 10am this Wednesday (27).

It will mark the final time steam trains travel into central London on the Underground due to signalling modernisation for the Circle, District, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan lines from 2021.

Article continues ... including how to book. I expect they will be very popular!
Logged

Coffee Shop Admin, Acting Chair of Melksham Rail User Group, Option 24/7 Melksham Rep
Celestial
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 674


View Profile
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2019, 20:43:24 »

The price of £150 standard (third class shurely?) or £180 first class might put a few people off.
Logged
CyclingSid
Data Manager
Hero Member
******
Posts: 1930


Hockley viaduct


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2019, 07:52:54 »

Must cost more per mile than Heathrow Express.
Logged
Celestial
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 674


View Profile
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2019, 09:45:43 »

Must cost more per mile than Heathrow Express.

For 26 minutes of steam haulage, I think I'll pass on the opportunity.
Logged
grahame
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 40784



View Profile WWW Email
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2019, 10:02:24 »

Must cost more per mile than Heathrow Express.

For 26 minutes of steam haulage, I think I'll pass on the opportunity.

I can see the marketing logic of celebrating 150 years by charging £150 but I will pass too.   Was there any comment about "all profits to ..." to sweeten the pill?
Logged

Coffee Shop Admin, Acting Chair of Melksham Rail User Group, Option 24/7 Melksham Rep
grahame
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 40784



View Profile WWW Email
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2019, 05:38:14 »

From earlier in this thread:

Quote
It will mark the final time steam trains travel into central London on the Underground due to signalling modernisation for the Circle, District, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan lines from 2021.

An update from London Connections on that signalling modernisation. A very long article which starts with an overview of the background

Quote
A much needed upgrade
New lines are always more exciting than upgrades to existing lines. On the Underground, the primary objective of any upgrade is nearly always to provide a capacity increase. This is certainly one of the main objectives of the SSR upgrade which is formally referred to as Four Lines Modernisation (4LM) and encompasses the Metropolitan, District, Hammersmith & City and Circle lines (also known as the Sub-surface Railway or SSR).

A major part of the upgrade of the Sub-surface Railway is the replacement of rolling stock. This phase has already been completed. Much needed as the new rolling stock was, it didn’t do that much to increase capacity. The significantly longer trains (an extra carriage length) on the Circle and Hammersmith & City lines certainly help. The extra standing space inside the carriages also helps – albeit at the price of a reduced number of seats per carriage.

The signalling factor
Another objective of the upgrade is to replace the old, unreliable signalling. But it makes no sense these days to replace signalling on a like-for-like basis. Whilst you are replacing the signalling you might as well improve it, where there are quantifiable benefits in doing so.

To get the full benefit of the substantial increase in capacity on the SSR you really need automatic train operation. Normally there is the additional cost of the extra trains required but as the fleet size of the SSR stock (S Stock) was calculated assuming ATO (Automatic Train Operation) would be introduced, there is no need to buy additional rolling stock in order to increase capacity. The stock is already there sitting in the depots.

Logged

Coffee Shop Admin, Acting Chair of Melksham Rail User Group, Option 24/7 Melksham Rep
SandTEngineer
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 3485


View Profile
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2019, 09:36:52 »

Thats a very well written piece.  Not too critical, but trying to explain in fair terms how difficult ATO (Automatic Train Operation) implementation can be. Grin
Logged
Do you have something you would like to add to this thread, or would you like to raise a new question at the Coffee Shop? Please [register] (it is free) if you have not done so before, or login (at the top of this page) if you already have an account - we would love to read what you have to say!

You can find out more about how this forum works [here] - that will link you to a copy of the forum agreement that you can read before you join, and tell you very much more about how we operate. We are an independent forum, provided and run by customers of Great Western Railway, for customers of Great Western Railway and we welcome railway professionals as members too, in either a personal or official capacity. Views expressed in posts are not necessarily the views of the operators of the forum.

As well as posting messages onto existing threads, and starting new subjects, members can communicate with each other through personal messages if they wish. And once members have made a certain number of posts, they will automatically be admitted to the "frequent posters club", where subjects not-for-public-domain are discussed; anything from the occasional rant to meetups we may be having ...

 
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
This forum is provided by customers of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western), and the views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules (email link to report). Forum hosted by Well House Consultants

Jump to top of pageJump to Forum Home Page