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« on: February 14, 2019, 08:51:27 am »

Bristol City Council is planning to make changes to the A4018 - the main road into Bristol from Cribbs Causeway, which passes Westbury-on-Trym and crosses The Downs.

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Over the next few years, a large new development of housing, business, and retail will be built on the former Filton Airfield site. Both local residents and many of the people living and working in the new development will need to travel into and through Bristol on the A4018.

Our traffic modelling has shown that the road will need improvements to tackle the increase in demand and to keep the A4018 flowing to support local residents and businesses. We believe that the best way to do this is a major investment in public transport.

These changes, which together with the consultation documents you can see here, are about prioritising buses and cycling. They include the removal of Crow Lane roundabout, adding a number of turn restrictions, and changes to the one-way system in Westbury Village. I think it is fair to say that not all motorists using this route are happy about this.

Consultation closes 10th March 2019!
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2019, 10:30:49 am »

Judging from the temperature of the Bristly Post, what's raised the most ire – at least among some local councillors – are the changes within Westbury itself. I guess people value their own ability to drive through their area more than they dislike the through traffic. Then again, councillors might be reflecting local opinion or might be trying to lead it; or might just be misjudging it! I don't know...
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2019, 11:38:31 am »

We have an elderly relative at Westbury Fields retirement village. I think it will still be possible to visit them by car, but it looks like our new route will involve a detour along Greystoke Ave, Concorde Drive and Charlton Road because the right turn from Passage Road into Charlton Road will become 'buses only'. I am generally positive about re-balancing road capacity away from private motorists, but many people may view this scheme unfavourably as they scratch their heads trying to work out how on earth they can get where they need to go; in many cases they may conclude that they need to use a longer route along arguably less-suitable back roads.
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2019, 11:42:58 am »

The Bristly Life has a fairly useful-ish video which perhaps explains some of the changes more clearly than the official diagram. https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/exactly-how-new-route-m5-2558392
Two thing I note are that no mention is made of the proposed Greystoke Lane traffic lights incorporating a pedestrian crossing; presumably there will be some crossing facility, but on all arms? And what type and what timings? And that the War Memorial roundabout in WoT really is, like so many of its type, a waste of a monument.
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2019, 10:41:13 pm »

The FAQs (they're not, really, are they; no one's really asked them) that you can find by following the link from the OP state that there will be pedestrian crossings here.
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2019, 11:21:07 am »

I went out for a meal in Westbury-on-Trym last night (Grupo Lounge, wasn't my choice but quite nice, though actual food a bit disappointing) and totally failed to notice the war memorial both times I went round the roundabout. Admittedly it was dark both times, but even so, if it's to have any memorial function or any non-roundabout function at all, being on a roundabout makes it impossible. (See also: the Boer War memorial on Queens Rd/Triangle in front of the Victoria Rooms.)
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2019, 05:48:10 pm »

It actually works very well on Rememberance Sunday when the roads are subjected to a TRCO for the mornings service.
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2019, 06:09:00 pm »

From Bristol Live

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Changes to A4018 in north Bristol 'could cut off residents' from new train station

Councillors are worried that the changes could stop residents from being able to access a new MetrWest station

Controversial changes to the main A4018 road into Bristol could cut off residents from a new MetroWest train station nearby, councillors fear.

Labour-controlled Bristol City Council’s plans have already been slammed by one of the party’s own MPs, along with hundreds of householders, campaigners and other politicians, amid claims they could slice Westbury-on-Trym village in two.


Now concerns are rising that the radical alterations to traffic on a three-mile stretch from Cribbs Causeway towards the city centre, which are out for public consultation until March 17, will also leave people in the area stranded from the proposed new Henbury railway station.

Westbury-on-Trym and Henleaze ward councillor Geoff Gollop said it was “bizarre” that the A4018 changes could result in part of a major regional transport project like MetroWest being inaccessible to the community it was meant to serve.
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2019, 06:49:19 pm »

It seems highly improbable it would be inaccessible. Less easy to access by car, maybe, but not impossible. Anyway, they'll have altered the road layout a couple of times again by the time the station's open.
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2019, 07:07:51 pm »

The A4018 consultation doesn't have much to say about access to the proposed Henbury East MetroWest station, which is 500m or so to the north of the northernmost limit of the A4018 scheme.

The CH2M Consultation document on Henbury Station says:

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Walking to the station was cited as the most likely method of access, with 31 of the 203 respondents saying they would walk to Henbury station if built on the west side and 32 of all respondents for the eastern option. Car access is the next most popular suggestion, followed by bus and bike. It should be noted though that almost as many did not answer this question as chose ‘walk’.

Among the concerns raised about the 'East' location were:

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Ease of access by car – only possible from the southbound carriageway of Wyck Beck [Road] [Eh? - Ed]

I've attached the map from the consultation for reference.
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2019, 10:58:20 am »

Bristol Livepost reports that councillors and MP object. "Prioritising housing not yet built over current residents."
Elsewhere there have been suggestions the bus lane is really just an excuse to close the side roads in order to avoid interruptions to "traffic flow".
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/a4018-changes-westbury-traffic-consultation-2658783
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North Bristol politicians from both Labour and the Conservative Party have called on the council to go back to the drawing board and look again at plans for the A4018.

A consultation on plans to make major changes to a three mile section of the key route into the city centre from Cribbs Causeway finished on Sunday (March 17).

There are proposals to introduce 24-hour bus lanes as well as cycle lanes along much of the stretch, as well as plans to replace roundabouts with traffic lights.

The village centre of Westbury-on-Trym would also be affected, with only buses, bikes and taxis allowed to use part of the high street, one-way systems would be reversed and other roads blocked up, to try to stop rat-running through that area.

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And with plans to ban vehicles turning off and on to the main road at 10 different junctions, there are hundreds of people left wondering how they will access their own homes.

Highways chiefs have said they want to tackle the long queues of traffic along this key route and improve the road for cyclists and those travelling on public transport.

This is in preparation for thousands of homes to be built at Filton Airfield, which will add to the congestion.


Bristol City Council plans for the A4018 from Old Crow roundabout heading south
But the scheme has proved controversial with residents, particulary in Westbury-on-Trym, Henbury and Brentry.

Many feel the changes are being proposed in order to make journeys better for commuters travelling in and out of Bristol - rather than for locals.

There has also been some frustration with the council’s planned drop-in sessions over the consultation period - with many claiming they were not getting detailed answers to their questions .

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As a result, Bristol North West MP Darren Jones organised his own public meetings to try and answer some of those questions and get a better understanding of residents’ feelings before making a final submission to the consultation.

While the Labour MP has asked the transport team at Bristol City Council go back to the drawing board and bring forward a new set of proposals, he has directed most of his complaints at the Conservative-led South Gloucestershire Council.

Mr Jones said: “We all know that we desperately need more homes and I congratulate South Gloucestershire Council and Bristol City Council for putting in the hard work to make that happen.


A consultation on the changes to A4018 has been described as "chaos" (Image: Miles Jelfs)
“But South Gloucestershire Council must recognise that transport upgrades must prioritise the use of public transport for their new commuters who want to travel into and out of Bristol.

“The proposed changes to the Crow Lane roundabout and Westbury-on-Trym village, alongside the high number of turning restrictions along the A4018, are designed to increase capacity for car journeys from commuters.

“We in Bristol have made it clear that we must prioritise park and ride, rail and cycling routes for Greater Bristol commuters without trying to squeeze more cars into already congested road networks and causing disruption to local residents.”

Plans 'seem to prioritise commuters'
Bristol City Council’s Conservative Group, whose councillors represent most of the wards affected by the proposals, has also submitted its final submission to the consultation asking for a radical rethink of the scheme.

The councillors said the plans seem to “prioritise commuters from houses yet to be built over the needs of existing communities living in this part of Bristol”.

But they have also criticised Bristol City Council for “failing to properly consult a wider geographical area”.


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Conservative Group leader Mark Weston, pointed to wards like Southmead, which he said would bear the brunt of displaced traffic diverted down its residential streets.

The Henbury & Brentry councillor said:  “Whilst I understand the motivation behind this remodelling, to ease congestion and encourage a shift onto public transport, these proposals are just dreadful.

“In fact, if implemented, they offer no salvation at all.  The current plan seems to entirely prioritise the travelling needs of commuters, especially those extra journeys generated by the new Filton Airfield development, at the expense of existing communities living in north Bristol.

'This is utter madness'
“The ideas outlined in the consultation will make the task of getting around the local road system much harder.

"Congestion and air pollution levels would be increased as a result of reducing road capacity for private vehicles and introducing 24/7 bus lanes.  This is utter madness.

“The few good things in the consultation document like additional pedestrian crossings are vastly outweighed by all of the negatives contained within it – as confirmed by a majority of residents who have attended the crowded public meetings on this issue.”

What exactly is being proposed?
The Old Crow roundabout
changing from roundabout to traffic light junction with improved pedestrian crossing

No right turn from Passage Road east into Knole Lane.


Passage Road (from Crow Lane junction to Charlton Road)
24 hour bus lane in both directions
Widened central reservation with trees planted
New traffic light pedestrian crossing and bus stops moved near Dragonswell Road
Traffic calming measures on Brentry Lane
Charlton Road junction
Upgraded traffic light pedestrian crossing
Right turn into Charlton Road from the south banned (except for buses)

Greystoke Avenue junction
24 hour bus lane inbound from Charlton Road to Greystoke Avenue
New traffic light controlled junction at Greystoke Avenue turn
Henbury Road/Henbury Hill junction
No entry from Hillsdown Road to Henbury Road
No left turn from Henbury Road onto A4018 Falcondale Road
No left turn from Henbury Hill to Falcondale Road
Falcondale Road (section through Westbury-on-Trym)

New bus stop on outbound section near Southdown Road
No left turn off main road into Canford Road
No right turn off main road into Canford Lane and Abbey Road
No right turn onto main road from Canford Lane
No right turn off main road onto Lampeter Avenue and Canford Lane
No right turn off main road onto Stoke Lane
New signal junction with Westbury Road and Downs Road
Section along Durdham Down
Improvements to existing informal mixed-use path alongside the main road.

In Westbury village itself
New crossing on Passage Road near the junction with Shipley Road
Current one-way system on Trym Road and College Road reversed.


Current one-way system on section of Church Road (along Church View Cottage) reversed
Church Road one way from Church entrance
End of Stoke Lane up to the war memorial roundabout closed to traffic, with 'enhanced pedestrian space' between the Men's Club and Barclays Bank.
High Street from the war memorial to Westbury Court Road is blocked to normal traffic, and only for buses, taxis, cycles and loading.
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