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Author Topic: Open Access Application - London to Cardiff (28/03/2019)  (Read 11331 times)
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« Reply #60 on: January 10, 2020, 02:41:39 pm »

Again from Transport Extra continuing behind a paywall (sorry, folks)

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DfT and FirstGroup try to thwart open access rail plan

10 January 2020

The dft and FirstGroupís rail franchise Great Western Railway have raised objections to plans for an open access rail service between London Paddington and South Wales.

Grand Union Trains (GUT) wants to operate seven trains in each direction between London Paddington and Cardiff Central from May 2021, using electric trains (Class 91 and Mark IV carriages) that are becoming surplus to requirements on the East Coast Main Line.
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« Reply #61 on: January 10, 2020, 08:48:09 pm »

They were always going to werenít they.

Is there really a market between London and Cardiff for a Open Access Operator with the increased level of service offered by GWR?

Love the abbreviation GUT.
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« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2020, 07:41:21 am »

What will an open access operator offer to the travelling public that GWR or any single operator doesn't already. There is only one sensible route from Cardiff to London. I've said it before but the general public only say I'm going by train, not I'm going by a specific TOC. When they get to the station they want the first train going to where they are going and don't want to wait for a specific company's train.
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« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2020, 07:46:13 am »

Exactly Reginald25. The only reason most people would know the actual name of a TOC is because of all the press they receive for offering such a poor service.
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« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2020, 09:25:56 am »

I can't see how there is capacity on the route now
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« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2020, 10:49:20 am »

A bit of competition would be excellent - may make GWR raise their game a bit?
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« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2020, 11:34:34 am »

A bit of competition would be excellent - may make GWR raise their game a bit?

Yes indeed.  Bring it on!  Though I donít think it will be brought on sadly as the paths will be virtually impossible to find, and the business probably not there.  Though thereís marginally more chance of it happening than Go-Op!
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« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2020, 01:55:10 pm »

This proposal originally touted impossible timings, didnít it?  Perhaps we might have had another thread about it?

IIRC they reckoned theyíd be 15 mins or so faster than GWR, but I suspect that was based on a spurious comparison with last years HST timetable.   Canít actually see DfT allowing GWR IET services to be overtaken anyway...

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« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2020, 09:09:18 pm »

It would be even great if one of these Open Access Operators opened a service that wasn't going to London, as those are the services that really need to be improved.
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« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2020, 08:01:45 am »

Quite. If there really is spare capacity,  then can we have the Didcot stops put back on Cardiff trains, to give better connections for Oxford; and bring back the direct Bristol to Oxford service, rather than duplicating existing services to London.
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« Reply #70 on: January 12, 2020, 08:23:06 am »

Canít actually see DfT allowing GWR IET services to be overtaken anyway...

They already do - though within the franchise.  Superfasts overtaking other GWR IET services at Reading.

It would be even great if one of these Open Access Operators opened a service that wasn't going to London, as those are the services that really need to be improved.

Quite. If there really is spare capacity,  then can we have the Didcot stops put back on Cardiff trains, to give better connections for Oxford; and bring back the direct Bristol to Oxford service, rather than duplicating existing services to London.

Agreed ... but government policy is all about London enhancements.  Came out loud and clear from Chris Heaton-Harris speaking at the GWR Stakeholder's briefing at Paddington a couple of months back.

Huge logic in 10 minute service Paddington - Reading - Didcot - Swindon. 2 onward to Bristol, 2 onward to South Wales, one onward to Cheltenham Spa, final one a 387 terminating at Swindon. Good path use, plenty of scope for decent Oxford connections.  Snag being that everyone would split their tickets!

Swindon to Oxford direct trains?  YES PLEASE ... and with Swindon being in "England's Economic Heartland" it makes huge sense with such trains carrying on to Bletchley, Bedford and Cambridge - but they can be instigated long before that line is re-opened.
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