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Author Topic: Open Access Application - London to Cardiff (28/03/2019)  (Read 27849 times)
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« Reply #75 on: July 09, 2020, 10:59:48 pm »

Hull Trains ditched the HSTs (High Speed Train) & 180s for 802s a few months before they suspended service, which they call 'Paragons' as it is the law that every operator of these have to call them something different. No buffet though, as always as a result of 'customer request' Smiley (for more seats).

It's nice to know that TOCs (Train Operating Company) do respond to customer citicism of their rolling stock, although I must emphasise that I didn't offer an opinion on the buffet.
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« Reply #76 on: July 10, 2020, 07:38:15 pm »

Hull trains is an open access operator and therefore not subject to DfT» (Department for Transport - about) whims and control. Don't expect any conventional TOC (Train Operating Company) to act similarly. The "boss" would not allow it
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« Reply #77 on: August 28, 2020, 07:40:12 am »

as it is the law that every operator of these have to call them something different.

What a load of garbage!  Every TOC (Train Operating Company) still calls the HST (High Speed Train) a HST.  The only reason TOC call their trains different names is to make them stand out and for corporate rubbish, quite frankly it's a stupid idea and they should just have a standard name for example IET (Intercity Express Train) instead of Azuma (Brand name for Class 80x trains on LNER), Paragon etc.



As for the open access plan I doubt it's going to happen as most of the 91/Mk4 stock that hasn't already been taken up is scrapped or stripped down.
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« Reply #78 on: August 28, 2020, 07:47:30 am »

as it is the law that every operator of these have to call them something different.

What a load of garbage!  Every TOC (Train Operating Company) still calls the HST (High Speed Train) a HST.  The only reason TOC call their trains different names is to make them stand out and for corporate rubbish, quite frankly it's a stupid idea and they should just have a standard name for example IET (Intercity Express Train) instead of Azuma (Brand name for Class 80x trains on LNER), Paragon etc.

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As for the open access plan I doubt it's going to happen as most of the 91/Mk4 stock that hasn't already been taken up is scrapped or stripped down.

I also doubt that it will happen, although I haven't chosen one specific reason.That said, as the existing open access operators started somewhere, nothing can be entirely ruled out.
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« Reply #79 on: February 10, 2021, 11:50:39 am »

Grand Union application has been rejected, basically because although it is workable, (6 of 7 return services can be pathed), and generates adequate new fare income, it still abstracts from DfT» (Department for Transport - about)’s overall funds, and that isn’t acceptable in times of COVID service reductions etc, etc...

https://www.orr.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2021-02/2021-02-10-gand-union-london-carmarthen-s17-decision-letter.pdf
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« Reply #80 on: February 10, 2021, 12:35:54 pm »

Grand Union application has been rejected, basically because although it is workable, (6 of 7 return services can be pathed), and generates adequate new fare income, it still abstracts from DfT» (Department for Transport - about)’s overall funds, and that isn’t acceptable in times of COVID service reductions etc, etc...

https://www.orr.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2021-02/2021-02-10-gand-union-london-carmarthen-s17-decision-letter.pdf

Thanks for that, Paul. I have mirrored that document here for members - see http://www.passenger.chat/24635 .  In this case, I expect the original URL may change soon when ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) notices it contains "gand" rather than "grand"  Cheesy
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« Reply #81 on: February 11, 2021, 12:32:36 pm »

No great surprise that it has been rejected.
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« Reply #82 on: February 11, 2021, 12:57:44 pm »

Interesting what you learn from one 'case' to another ... if six paths were available all the way, it follows that six paths were available over the subset from Wootton Bassett to Didcot - potentially allowing the extension of something coming up from Chippenham into Swindon to be extended to Oxford ... whether you look at running frachise, central or local transport board contract, or open access ...
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