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« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2020, 08:34:43 am »

You only have to look at what was achieved when Virgin introduced the Pendolino trains along with a service frequency of every 20 minutes between London and Manchester to see that is what’s needed to take the fight to the airlines. HS2 all the way between London and Scotland. Anything less wont break the demand for flights between the two IMHO.
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« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2020, 11:05:40 am »

This thread is drifting into the path of the HS2 thread. I think it is beginning to make the case I recently made there.

Good (I think) ... it shows that everything joins up ...
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« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2020, 03:58:58 pm »

Looking further north, there are currently 5 Flybe flights from Birmingham to Edinburgh. With a train every 2 hrs taking just on 4 hrs that would seem a good route for rail to make inroads into air maybe?  Sadly not, in March, Easyjet is introducing services from Glasgow and Edinburgh to Birmingham, 3 times a day, with lead in prices under £20. I suspect they will drive Flybe off the routes fairly quickly, but apart from that it's hardly heading in the right direction, is it?

(Flybe also fly Manchester to Edinburgh.  Another route where the speed and frequency of rail should make it an obvious choice.)
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« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2020, 04:51:49 pm »

Should be easy for railways to catch up - all they need to do is compete on price, speed, reliability and comfort and they'll start to rival the airlines.
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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2020, 12:16:42 pm »

Flybe seems to in trouble according to BBC Radio 4.
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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2020, 01:24:40 pm »

Great concern to the local business community I'm hearing on the local radio.
Flybe seem to be on the brink of going under according to what I'm hearing.
Not good news, although if they do go down, in the short term GWR should do really good business (apart from a signalling problem at Totnes; weather related speed restrictions in Cornwall and possibly weather incident at Dawlish later today)!
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« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2020, 06:20:28 pm »

Great concern to the local business community I'm hearing on the local radio.
Flybe seem to be on the brink of going under according to what I'm hearing.
Not good news, although if they do go down, in the short term GWR should do really good business (apart from a signalling problem at Totnes; weather related speed restrictions in Cornwall and possibly weather incident at Dawlish later today)!

It'll be very bad news for the Westcountry economy if they cease trading.
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« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2020, 05:43:33 am »

Great concern to the local business community I'm hearing on the local radio.
Flybe seem to be on the brink of going under according to what I'm hearing.
Not good news, although if they do go down, in the short term GWR should do really good business (apart from a signalling problem at Totnes; weather related speed restrictions in Cornwall and possibly weather incident at Dawlish later today)!

It'll be very bad news for the Westcountry economy if they cease trading.

Sounds like there's a plan!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51100029
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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2020, 06:36:51 am »


Looks only like a short term fix
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« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2020, 10:35:29 am »

Presumably the "climate emergency" is now forgotten about as it is proposed to make short haul air transport cheaper and therefore more popular.
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« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2020, 11:22:51 am »

Presumably the "climate emergency" is now forgotten about as it is proposed to make short haul air transport cheaper and therefore more popular.
Indeed.  The comments from one passenger who flies between Edinburgh and Manchester and would be "devastated" by their closure does beg the question whether he even knows there is a 3 hr train service every two hours between the cities. 
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« Reply #41 on: January 14, 2020, 05:31:02 pm »

No, it's just put back into its rightful place: something we need to think about and act on but only when money can be made from it.
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« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2020, 05:54:28 pm »

Presumably the "climate emergency" is now forgotten about as it is proposed to make short haul air transport cheaper and therefore more popular.
Indeed.  The comments from one passenger who flies between Edinburgh and Manchester and would be "devastated" by their closure does beg the question whether he even knows there is a 3 hr train service every two hours between the cities. 

Fair point - Manchester to Edinburgh seems a daft flight, but I have 6 friends who are travelling from Exeter to Edinburgh for a wedding - 2 hours by air v 8 hours by train, and the flights are cheaper- no contest.

All a question of balance - environmental issues notwithstanding, regional airports are unquestionably a good thing for regional economies and journeys for which rail/road alternatives are too long to be practical - if the railways step up in terms of price, comfort and reliability they may provide more competition on shorter routes
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« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2020, 07:30:27 pm »


Fair point - Manchester to Edinburgh seems a daft flight, but I have 6 friends who are travelling from Exeter to Edinburgh for a wedding - 2 hours by air v 8 hours by train, and the flights are cheaper- no contest.

All a question of balance - environmental issues notwithstanding, regional airports are unquestionably a good thing for regional economies and journeys for which rail/road alternatives are too long to be practical - if the railways step up in terms of price, comfort and reliability they may provide more competition on shorter routes
I agree. Unfortunately even from Bristol to Scotland the balance is definitely in favour of air, but the railway doesn't help the environmental cause for those who do have the time and inclination to go the greener way by charging fares that are so much higher.

Exeter to London City by air seems a nonsense too, even more so once Crossrail opens.  And Birmingham to Edi/Gla too, when there are frequent services taking four hours.  I think the rail industry could be more aggressive at marketing these alternatives using social media targeted at those living in the relevant areas. Even London to Edinburgh now with two trains an hour, one of which takes 4hrs 20 mins, throughout the day should now be becoming the norm for travellers rather than the exception.

But I accept that for N Ireland, the Highlands and Islands, and from the South West to the North East and Scotland, air does for the moment have a role to play, so any solution needs to discourage shorter hops whilst recognising the importance to the regions of air links.
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« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2020, 07:35:16 pm »

...Unfortunately even from Bristol to Scotland the balance is definitely in favour of air, but the railway doesn't help the environmental cause for those who do have the time and inclination to go the greener way by charging fares that are so much higher.

Bring back the Edinburgh-Brstol sleeper?
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