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« Reply #90 on: May 28, 2019, 08:40:34 » |
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I imagine most staff will try and accommodate or turn a blind eye despite policy if it avoids conflict.
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« Reply #91 on: May 28, 2019, 09:04:02 » |
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It's the same with a no alcohol ban on certain rail services. I've seen it many times at Bristol Temple Meads with services to Cardiff on a big match day at the now named Principality Stadium and when I spoke a GWR▸ person I was well acquainted with after I witnessed a fan with a case of 12 cans accompanied by 5 of his brother fans, his reply was, "I want to go home to see my wife and kids after my shift rather than my manager having to phone her up and tell her I've been taken to the Bristol Royal Infirmary after being beaten up by football fans after I tried to take alcohol off of them". BTP▸ were present and they made no attempt to prevent those fans boarding either.
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« Reply #92 on: May 28, 2019, 09:13:04 » |
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I imagine most staff will try and accommodate or turn a blind eye despite policy if it avoids conflict.
Exactly, which I believe in most cases that is what they are trained to do. |
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« Reply #93 on: May 28, 2019, 09:40:18 » |
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I imagine most staff will try and accommodate or turn a blind eye despite policy if it avoids conflict.
Exactly, which I believe in most cases that is what they are trained to do. So if you're 6' 4", growl a bit and look a bit handy, you'll be able to get on with your surfboard, but if you're a dainty and polite 5' 0" female surfer, best invest in roof bars and get in the car as you'll be told your board can't be carried. |
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« Reply #94 on: May 28, 2019, 10:01:50 » |
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So if you're 6' 4", growl a bit and look a bit handy, you'll be able to get on with your surfboard, but if you're a dainty and polite 5' 0" female surfer, best invest in roof bars and get in the car as you'll be told your board can't be carried.
Sadly all too often in this day and age people resort to abuse and physical violence when they don't get their way and when they don't think that rules apply to them. The seemingly dainty and polite female surfer might not be so dainty and polite when told she cannot bring her surfboard aboard. |
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« Reply #95 on: May 28, 2019, 10:28:33 » |
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"What if the train had been scratched, and then withdrawn for a week to remove the scratch. Consider the legal costs in apportioning blame for the scratch."
Why should surfboards be treated any differently to bicycles? I would have thought that boards were less likely to cause damage than bikes.
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« Reply #96 on: May 28, 2019, 11:15:26 » |
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What if the train had been scratched, and then withdrawn for a week to remove the scratch. Consider the legal costs in apportioning blame for the scratch.
Sssshh. Don't give them ideas. Next thing you know everything that could possibly cause a scratch will be removed from the train. Like knives and forks... |
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« Reply #97 on: May 28, 2019, 11:30:20 » |
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"What if the train had been scratched, and then withdrawn for a week to remove the scratch. Consider the legal costs in apportioning blame for the scratch."
Why should surfboards be treated any differently to bicycles? I would have thought that boards were less likely to cause damage than bikes.
A good Hitachi lawyer might argue, "cycles carried in the designated and purpose designed space are part of the design brief. Therefore we accept the odd minor dent and scratch of the cycle stowage area. Surf boards carried improperly by wedging them behind the seats, are NOT part of the design brief. Any damage caused by such misuse is the fault of GWR▸ for permitting such misuse. GWR to pay for investigation and rectification. Unit out of service for the chargeable repairs. No compensation for non availability of the unit as this was caused by GWR misuse." |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #98 on: May 28, 2019, 11:33:28 » |
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Good points being made. Should the thread be named 'Hitachi bans surfboards from IET▸ services'?  |
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« Reply #99 on: May 28, 2019, 11:40:43 » |
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Bikes are often carried where they shouldn’t be as well.
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« Reply #100 on: May 28, 2019, 12:52:40 » |
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Digging back on this forum reminds me that surfboards used to be banned from all trains under the National Rail Conditions and it was only the action of then FGW▸ allowing them on certain trains (to start with) that led to their carriage being given to be at the TOCs▸ discretion.
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« Reply #101 on: May 28, 2019, 17:39:19 » |
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Having discussed this briefly with GWR▸ today, the IET▸ has very limited space designed for oversize luggage (bike spaces basically). Rather than reduce bike spaces (which ain't going to be popular in the summer!), the decision's been taken not to carry them on this type of train.
Possible deal may be forthcoming whereby discounts on hire may be a possible offer.
I did explain that potential surfboarders will need to know *before* starting to travel rather than finding out by sight of posters at stations!
Pity those who get them to their destination, enjoy their holiday only to find they're refused travel on the return.
Visibility currently is extremely poor
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« Reply #102 on: May 28, 2019, 22:57:18 » |
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This does seem an opportunity lost.
While I've checked on-line, and it appears that they do not make many of the personal electronic gizmos that I expect most surfers might be interested in, they have a wide portfolio of industries in many fields. Surely cooperating with GWR▸ , and (say) providing protective sheeting in corporate colours over seats in some first class areas so they could be used for surfboards would engender lots of goodwill, associates them with a major sports event and (who knows?) might just stick in the mind of someone who is promoted and who may have valuable contracts for their products and services to award who has to shortlist suppliers to invite to tender?
Whats not to like about "Hitachi - proud to support British surfers"?
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« Reply #103 on: May 29, 2019, 09:31:47 » |
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I got the impression that's it's a GWR▸ decision, not a Hitachi requirement imposed on GWR. Space is the issue - they *reallly don't want them in the vestibules, so it's down to the bicycle area on IETs▸ . And they'd be upstting the cyclists if they make room for surfboards.
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« Reply #104 on: May 29, 2019, 10:25:04 » |
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I got the impression that's it's a GWR▸ decision, not a Hitachi requirement imposed on GWR. Space is the issue - they *reallly don't want them in the vestibules, so it's down to the bicycle area on IETs▸ . And they'd be upstting the cyclists if they make room for surfboards.
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