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« Reply #75 on: May 22, 2019, 09:08:51 am »

Surely it would be possible during Boardmasters to have say 2 or 3 trains a day to/from Paddington where a limited number of surfboards are carried (reservation only basis) in preference to bikes? Or even run a relief service? It's only one weekend a year for goodness sake, surely there's room for even GWR to use a bit of intelligence & compromise?

Or <shock horror mode> utilise a couple of the spare 2+8 HST sets still around! </shock horror mode>

<shock horror mode> poster forgets that drivers need regular route learning knowledge *all year* <shocjk horror mode>
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« Reply #76 on: May 22, 2019, 10:42:45 am »

Surely it would be possible during Boardmasters to have say 2 or 3 trains a day to/from Paddington where a limited number of surfboards are carried (reservation only basis) in preference to bikes? Or even run a relief service? It's only one weekend a year for goodness sake, surely there's room for even GWR to use a bit of intelligence & compromise?

Or <shock horror mode> utilise a couple of the spare 2+8 HST sets still around! </shock horror mode>

Considered logically, yes a few HSTs should have been kept in reserve for occasions like this, and also to reduce short formed IETs of which there are about a dozen again today.

GWR have however put a lot of effort into the IET project, and into trying to convince us that luggage space, buffets, and padded seats are no longer wanted.
Use of a 40 year old train on the mainline would be seen as an admission of defeat and would prolong negative comparisons.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #77 on: May 22, 2019, 12:07:06 pm »

GWR have however put a lot of effort into the IET project, and into trying to convince us that luggage space, buffets, and padded seats are no longer wanted.
Trains imposed on them by Dft.
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« Reply #78 on: May 22, 2019, 12:34:13 pm »

...and also to reduce short formed IETs of which there are about a dozen again today.

Another reminder that JourneyCheck is, sadly, discredited when relying on formation information...

The 12:15 PAD-CDF has just been observed by myself as a 10-car (showing 5 on JourneyCheck) and I strongly suspect, looking at the unit allocations, that the 11:00 PAD-BRI was in fact also a 10-car.

Add in their later workings and there's your 'about a dozen' that are actually now 10-cars.  That's not to say there aren't others running around short that aren't on JourneyCheck - I haven't got time to check.
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« Reply #79 on: May 22, 2019, 06:29:37 pm »

Surely it would be possible during Boardmasters to have say 2 or 3 trains a day to/from Paddington where a limited number of surfboards are carried (reservation only basis) in preference to bikes? Or even run a relief service? It's only one weekend a year for goodness sake, surely there's room for even GWR to use a bit of intelligence & compromise?
I would like to think GWR already have a plan for when Boardmasters take place bearing in mind they do run extra services for the event. We shall see.

Apparently details are to be released shortly - I think in previous years a morning service from Paddington which normally terminates at Plymouth is extended to Newquay?
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« Reply #80 on: May 25, 2019, 07:33:24 am »

Just a thought - whilst not exactly surfboards - I wonder how the 'army' of Royal Naval College, Dartmouth folk will cope when they all turn up at once at Totnes station at the end of each college session? They will all be carrying ironing boards. 
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« Reply #81 on: May 27, 2019, 01:59:58 am »

Interestingly the issue with luggage space etc has happened before - with the HST.
AFAIK The first HSTs introduced on the Paddington to Swansea route in 1976 did not have a TGS in the formation. It was only later that some standard (second) class coaches were converted to TGS's and other TGS's were built from new, giving all Western region HSTs a TGS from 1980.
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« Reply #82 on: May 27, 2019, 03:11:42 am »

Yes, the original western formations were 2+7.  The guard was positioned in the power car, but it soon became clear that was an unacceptable place to be (bloody noisy with a Valenta engine screaming close-by!) so carriages were adapted with TGSís.
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« Reply #83 on: May 27, 2019, 11:59:33 am »

Yes, the original western formations were 2+7. 


Yes, I remember the original 2+7 formation of the HST's which included 2 catering vehicles, a TRUB (Trailer Restaurant Unclassified Buffet) and a TRUK (Trailer Restaurant Unclassified Kitchen).

On todays replacements, the IET's you are lucky if you get the promised trolley service visit you at your seat, something that you are GUARANTEED on an EasyJet service.

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« Reply #84 on: May 27, 2019, 12:11:24 pm »

Yes it was a very different railway then.  Imagine if the number of folk travelling today tried to travel back then with those formations and infrequent services.
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« Reply #85 on: May 27, 2019, 06:27:40 pm »

I got on a ten car 802 at St. Erth today and I saw two surf boards were quite happily stored vertically in first class between the luggage rack and the seat back!! No problem!!
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« Reply #86 on: May 27, 2019, 10:43:12 pm »

I got on a ten car 802 at St. Erth today and I saw two surf boards were quite happily stored vertically in first class between the luggage rack and the seat back!! No problem!!

I hope that you called the BTP to report this serious breach of the rules.
What if a surfboard had fallen onto a child, or spontaneously combusted, or even exploded. Imagine the perils to which innocent persons were exposed.
What if the train had been scratched, and then withdrawn for a week to remove the scratch. Consider the legal costs in apportioning blame for the scratch.
What if a special needs child had a surfboard phobia, suffered a fit and then died. Whom would be liable.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #87 on: May 27, 2019, 11:06:35 pm »

Itís fair to say those responsible for issuing the new IET surfboard guidelines are having to face some pretty strong criticism from front line staff.  And rightly so.
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« Reply #88 on: May 28, 2019, 06:31:40 am »

Itís fair to say those responsible for issuing the new IET surfboard guidelines are having to face some pretty strong criticism from front line staff.  And rightly so.
Thatís because itís nigh on impossible to enforce. Always easy to come up with these things in an office but not so easy for those expected to bring it to pass on the frontline after so many years of being able to transport larger items on the previous trains.
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« Reply #89 on: May 28, 2019, 07:35:10 am »

Itís fair to say those responsible for issuing the new IET surfboard guidelines are having to face some pretty strong criticism from front line staff.  And rightly so.
Thatís because itís nigh on impossible to enforce. Always easy to come up with these things in an office but not so easy for those expected to bring it to pass on the frontline after so many years of being able to transport larger items on the previous trains.

Indeed. Rather like the full size bicycle ban on local services to and from Paddington during the peak, which I have never seen enforced.
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