Virgin's rail involvement after their franchises end

grahame

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Virgin's rail involvement after their franchises end

« on: June 13, 2019, 11:13:50 »

Are we starting to see a pattern for the company / brand?

Already looked at their split ticket engine ... now an open access proposal for London <-> Liverpool.

https://buyingbusinesstravel.com/news/virgin-trains-plans-rival-liverpool-london-service/

Others too are looking to add more open access - e.g.London <-> Edinburgh. Can we expect to see the franchises or a new equivalent of them competing on cash cow routes with open access providers? In a more fluid market, can we expect to be seeing even more companies coming and going, and what are the implications for the services that are necessary to the economy on this flexibility of operation .. and flexibility of pulling out and / or going bust?


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Re: Virgin's rail involvement after their franchises end

« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2019, 11:48:28 »

I imagine TOCs^▸ (and soon-to-be-ex-TOCs in particular) are busy "waiting for Williams". RDG^‡'s ideas are based round operators taking on smaller chunks of railway - single branch lines or competing services on main lines. While I can't recall any of Williams's thinking aloud in public as supporting that, the evidence papers contain that idea because it's there in other countries' models.


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Re: Virgin's rail involvement after their franchises end

« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2020, 16:17:39 »

Quote from: grahame on June 13, 2019, 11:13:50

Are we starting to see a pattern for the company / brand?

Already looked at their split ticket engine ... now an open access proposal for London <-> Liverpool.

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From Transport Xtra

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Virgin Trains has withdrawn its application to run open access services between Liverpool Lime Street and London Euston. In a letter to the Office of Rail and Road, Neil Micklethwaite, Virgin’s business development director, says: “We consider that with the Williams Review [of rail] still not having been published, there remains considerable uncertainty that at this time, we had originally hoped would have been much clearer. Consequently, and after much consideration, we have decided to suspend our application. At the same time, we remain committed to this railway and would look to consider re-applying in the future, once we have seen the outcome and understand the impact of the Williams Review.” Virgin relinquished the West Coast franchise (operated as a joint venture with Stagecoach) last December


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