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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2019, 08:06:19 pm »

The Devon Metro timetable will be half hourly Exmouth - Paignton, alternating between fast (Exmouth - Lympstone - Topsham - Newcourt - Digby - Exeter Central - St David's - Dawlish - Teignmouth - Newton - Torre - Torquay - Paignton) and all stopper using 4 car 150s.

Barnstaple - St James Park hourly using 158s/16x.

Still in the potential offing Okehampton - Exeter 3 morning, 3 evening services using 143s.

I still don't understand why a metro service has non stopping services. Exmouth because it is single line should have a regular half hour interval but will Dawlish Teignmouth and Paignton. Paignton will be the place where late running trains will need a generous layover time to regulate the service. It may have to be as the fastest running time Exmouth to Paignton is 1hr 28m so a train leaving Exmouth at 10.30 will arrive at 1158. It would have to be held at Paignton until 1227 to arrive back at Exmouth at 13.55 to make the 14.00. Of course it could leave at 12.15 but it will have to lose time somewhere (Dawlish Warren or Exeter St David's) for a path down to Exmouth.

It does not seem that commuter friendly for a metro if the new service is slower than the old irregular timings.

I know this is a difficult line to timetable but when I tried some timings a few years ago when the Devon metro was first mooted I thought it would be easier to timetable a Barnstaple Exmouth service with a half hour shuttle between Exeter St David's and Exmouth and Paignton Exeter Central service.

To understand how the service would work a train would run Barnstaple-Exmouth-St David's-Exmouth-Barnstaple.
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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2019, 11:44:36 pm »

The Devon Metro timetable will be half hourly Exmouth - Paignton, alternating between fast (Exmouth - Lympstone - Topsham - Newcourt - Digby - Exeter Central - St David's - Dawlish - Teignmouth - Newton - Torre - Torquay - Paignton) and all stopper using 4 car 150s.

Barnstaple - St James Park hourly using 158s/16x.
From what I have heard:

- On Mondays to Saturdays:
- Barnstaple trains to run hourly on a recast timetable and terminate at St. James Park using Class 158 traction. There will be an earlier first train from Barnstaple which will arrive into Exeter at around 0730 (this 0730 arrival may be Mondays to Fridays only: no idea if it will operate on Saturdays). The new timetable will be designed to offer a better overall service between Exeter and Barnstaple.

- Stops (stopping patterns?) on Barnstaple trains are amended.

- Paignton trains are enhanced to half-hourly with those which currently terminate at / start from Newton Abbot now running through to Exmouth. I have heard that the calling pattern between Paignton and Exeter St. Davids will be something like this:

From Paignton to Exmouth:
- one per hour calling Torquay, Torre, Newton Abbot, Teignmouth and Dawlish. Some of these will also call at Dawlish Warren on Saturdays.
- one per hour calling all stations

From Exmouth to Paignton:
- one per hour calling Dawlish, Teignmouth, Newton Abbot, Torre, Torquay & Paignton. Some will also call at Dawlish Warren on Saturdays.
- one per hour calling all stations.

The trains will not be clockface in every hour due to pathing for faster services. Exmouth to Exeter services will remain half hourly.

On Sundays:
- Barnstaple trains to run hourly on a recast timetable and terminate at St. James Park using Class 158 traction. This will be a big improvement on the current Sunday service which is only 7 trains each way: I hope it will be well used.

- Paignton to Exmouth trains will run hourly calling at all stations between Paignton and Exeter giving an improved Sunday frequency.

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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2019, 07:30:24 am »

If pathing for a faster train means stuck at Dawlish Warren then it's not an improvement. The Metro trains should be timed to arrive and depart after the express is timetabled at Newton Abbot or Exeter. This would provide better interchange for passengers wanting Dawlish and Teignmouth.

Paignton passengers would suffer a longer wait at Newton Abbot for the express unless they stayed on the train to Exeter by which time an express would not be far behind but a metro service is for commuters and Paignton and Torquay have become commuter towns for Exeter because that's where the jobs are. The metro cannot beat the car but then there is no parking aggro.
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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2019, 07:08:57 pm »

For anybody interested the GWR timetables are now live on RealTimeTrains. Links to times for Barnstaple:

- Weekdays: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/BNP/2019/12/16/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt
- Saturdays: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/BNP/2019/12/21/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt
- Sundays: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/BNP/2019/12/15/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2019, 07:43:14 am »


Thanks for a link I always have trouble with accessing. Adapting it for Paignton the last train runs a few minutes later but no longer stops after Dawlish so arrives at Exeter earlier than now. Still love to stick the trains in Dawlish Warren to allow the express to pass hopefully on time.

Sunday afternoon/evening looks better but no early train and I wonder if the connections are any better.

The Plymouth/Penzance seem to be leaving Paddington xx04 and the Exeter/Paignton xx37 except for the first trains when it's reversed and there is still that oddity of 1C91 being overtaken by 1C92 at Exeter and 1C91 becomes the local. I always wondered if 1C91 was a candidate for splitting  a 10 car and the front half being the local and the rear half making a service back to London or Bristol.
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