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« on: August 15, 2019, 05:35:56 »

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Three companies raked in £1BILLION over five years by leasing out train carriages to rail firms

Yes - a billion pounds is a lot of money, but is it a lot of money out of proportion to what they do, or is it a big number because of what a lot they do? 

Taking the most recent data, 1.75 billion passenger journeys were made by train in the last year, and the Rolling Stock compansies (RoSCos) made a profit of aroun £200 million pound between them. Each single passenger journey brought an income of around £2 (House of Commons Briefing Paper) - total revemue £3.4 billion pounds.  That's around 6% of passenger fares - 12p per journey in £2.

Having put the money roughly into proportion in your train fare - is it reasonable?  Does that profit allow for the RoSCos to invest into the new capital trains needed for a bigger fleet for a bigger (passenger number) railway, or is it payout to shareholders?  How much of that profit comes back to you and me, the British taxpayer, from profit taxes on the companies?

I am not a financier - so I don't know the answers to my further questions.  I worry about assumptions in my school boy arithmetic; I have assumed all trains owned by the RoSCoS (but I know First Group own some trains) and I have assumed that the National Rail train leasing business is the only business of the RoSCos (but do they lease also to TfL» (Transport for London - about), Tyneside Metro, etc).
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2019, 09:33:17 »

Another way to look at this is return on investment ROI.

From a review on Wikipedia they appear to own around 12,000 vehicles and if I assume an average cost of £750,000 this equates to an investment of £9,000 million.  £200 million profit represents 2.22% ROI which is not unreasonable for a very stable long term business.

I would be interested to see the figures from anyone who has better base data than me.
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