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« Reply #120 on: June 15, 2022, 09:49:35 am »

Very limited distribution of fuel by rail these days. Most by pipeline to the distribution centres. I do not have the data.
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« Reply #121 on: June 15, 2022, 11:43:03 am »

Very limited distribution of fuel by rail these days. Most by pipeline to the distribution centres. I do not have the data.

Wikipedia supports this view: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_freight_in_Great_Britain
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« Reply #122 on: June 15, 2022, 12:27:57 pm »


Further information is here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_oil_pipeline_network#Petroleum_product_pipelines
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« Reply #123 on: June 15, 2022, 01:11:29 pm »

Thanks for the information, no need to panic.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #124 on: June 15, 2022, 03:25:43 pm »

Another way of looking at this is from data on gross flows of all oil products from DUKES 2018. All numbers are millions of tonnes of something in a year.

UK (United Kingdom) refining gave 30 for domestic use (plus 28 exported), and imports were 35, totalling 65 for inland delivery. Road transport used 36 - more than half. That includes retail, for cars and other vehicles, plus other distribution routes.

From the GOS Foresight paper "Understanding the UK Freight Transport System", we find that the volume of petroleum products moved by rail was stable at about 5 from 2004 to 2017. That must include much of the stuff that can't be sent down a shared-use pipeline, so the amount of standard products like road vehicle and aircraft fuels must be much smaller. 
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« Reply #125 on: June 15, 2022, 05:19:46 pm »


Intrigued by the smorgasbord of units in the Wikipedia article TonyK linked to - it mixes ancient and modern in the same column, or even cell.
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« Reply #126 on: June 15, 2022, 06:20:54 pm »


Intrigued by the smorgasbord of units in the Wikipedia article TonyK linked to - it mixes ancient and modern in the same column, or even cell.

I didn't write it. Grin

Had I done so, I would have in all likelihood opted for tonnes rather than tons, definitely mm for diameters, and kPa for pressure. That last is easily converted to bar or kNm2 if preferred. Many of the pipelines were built in old money during WW2, a pipeline being harder to spot from a Heinkel than a train, but I should think there will be a formula to link capacity and flow rate to diameter which will be a darn sight easier if everything divides by 10.

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« Reply #127 on: June 28, 2022, 01:22:27 am »

I'm intrigued to discover the "Tranmere mile", 9 of which equal 24 kilometres.
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