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Author Topic: Eggesford Station - services, facilities and incidents (merged topic, ongoing discussion)  (Read 13215 times)
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« on: March 27, 2008, 11:22:07 pm »

Quote from: FGW Information Leaflet

If you are travelling to Eggesford from 29 March 2008, please board the front two coaches only. This is due to the station having short platforms and only the front door of the leading coach will be opened upon arrival at this station.

For your safety, please fold down any prams or pushchairs when alighting at Eggesford.

Contact the conductor on the train or any member of staff at a manned station if you need any assistance.


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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2008, 07:40:36 am »

I'm wondering about this, this means Local Door operation at Eggesford - but why? HAve they not actually ran any booked 4 car 142's down the line yet?
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2008, 07:45:57 am »

Maybe it's been introduced as a safe way of working when 2 units are used. Seem to remember some correspondence about the rear unit having to be locked out of use on a Saturday from Barnstaple leaving lots of bemused pax behind, because one platform (Eggesford) was too short for the length of the train. 
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2008, 06:05:09 pm »

Finally some 4 cars to Barny then?
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2008, 12:06:50 am »

Seem to remember some correspondence about the rear unit having to be locked out of use on a Saturday from Barnstaple leaving lots of bemused pax behind, because one platform (Eggesford) was too short for the length of the train. 

There was indeed, John: see
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=1528.msg9942#msg9942 and
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=1528.msg9947#msg9947
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2008, 11:25:59 pm »

At the moment, the rear set must be locked OOU, which is a joke as the Barny branch can be quite busy!!
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2008, 10:25:05 am »

Ridiculous. Guard could easily do local door only and have clear announcements at Crediton: "If you wish to alight at Eggesford you must be in the rear 2 coaches of this train." thus allowing them to do a short carriage switch.
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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2008, 11:49:15 am »

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Ridiculous. Guard could easily do local door only and have clear announcements at Crediton: "If you wish to alight at Eggesford you must be in the rear 2 coaches of this train." thus allowing them to do a short carriage switch.

No, it's not ridiculous at all - although you can have a point for not spelling 'ridiculous' with an 'e' Wink.

You wouldn't be able to use the rear carriages towards Exeter because of the crossing, and using the rear carriages towards Barnstaple would mean stopping three times (once to operate the barriers, once to collect the token and a third stop to let the passengers off). I'd say FGW have got this one right.
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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2008, 12:01:12 pm »


No, it's not ridiculous at all - although you can have a point for not spelling 'ridiculous' with an 'e' Wink.



You'll be pleased to know that I have installed the built in spell checker for FF Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2008, 01:45:43 pm »

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Ridiculous. Guard could easily do local door only and have clear announcements at Crediton: "If you wish to alight at Eggesford you must be in the rear 2 coaches of this train." thus allowing them to do a short carriage switch.

No, it's not ridiculous at all - although you can have a point for not spelling 'ridiculous' with an 'e' Wink.

You wouldn't be able to use the rear carriages towards Exeter because of the crossing, and using the rear carriages towards Barnstaple would mean stopping three times (once to operate the barriers, once to collect the token and a third stop to let the passengers off). I'd say FGW have got this one right.
This is actually down to HMRI regulations that FGW have to follow. The easy way around this is to isolate the air on the rear door when arriving at Eggesford, as this is the only door that is not platformed( in both directions ), but HMRI say this is a hazard in case emergency access is needed through said door. This is not true if you only isolate the air on the door, and not use the physical locking bolts, as the emergency door release will still work. ( i am talking about 142's in multiple of 2 by the way, which is why this instruction has been issued) The fact that the door is only locked out of use for a couple of minutes on approach to Eggesford, and while station duties are completed, seems to have been overlooked.
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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2008, 01:57:35 pm »

Or the guard simply occupies the space of the door and refuses exit whilst operating the door from that position
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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2008, 03:11:41 pm »

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Ridiculous. Guard could easily do local door only and have clear announcements at Crediton: "If you wish to alight at Eggesford you must be in the rear 2 coaches of this train." thus allowing them to do a short carriage switch.

No, it's not ridiculous at all - although you can have a point for not spelling 'ridiculous' with an 'e' Wink.

You wouldn't be able to use the rear carriages towards Exeter because of the crossing, and using the rear carriages towards Barnstaple would mean stopping three times (once to operate the barriers, once to collect the token and a third stop to let the passengers off). I'd say FGW have got this one right.
This is actually down to HMRI regulations that FGW have to follow. The easy way around this is to isolate the air on the rear door when arriving at Eggesford, as this is the only door that is not platformed( in both directions ), but HMRI say this is a hazard in case emergency access is needed through said door. This is not true if you only isolate the air on the door, and not use the physical locking bolts, as the emergency door release will still work. ( i am talking about 142's in multiple of 2 by the way, which is why this instruction has been issued) The fact that the door is only locked out of use for a couple of minutes on approach to Eggesford, and while station duties are completed, seems to have been overlooked.

The thing is, now the Driver and Guard MUST travel in front 2 between Crediton and Umberleigh (itself a 2car?)
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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2008, 10:33:24 pm »

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The thing is, now the Driver and Guard MUST travel in front 2 between Crediton and Umberleigh (itself a 2car?)

Why? The driver operates the barriers at Eggesford, and can open the front door for passenger use at the station while he swaps tokens.
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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2008, 10:41:18 pm »

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The thing is, now the Driver and Guard MUST travel in front 2 between Crediton and Umberleigh (itself a 2car?)

Why? The driver operates the barriers at Eggesford, and can open the front door for passenger use at the station while he swaps tokens.

Ah - but is that allowed?
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2008, 12:45:27 am »

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The thing is, now the Driver and Guard MUST travel in front 2 between Crediton and Umberleigh (itself a 2car?)

Why? The driver operates the barriers at Eggesford, and can open the front door for passenger use at the station while he swaps tokens.

Ah - but is that allowed?
No, but on arrival at work today, new instructions to traincrew were posted, informing us to isolate air on trailing door only, and release doors from leading door control of rear set. Common sense prevails for once!
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