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« on: October 10, 2019, 06:48:53 am »

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/09/ban-everyone-eating-drinking-trains-buses-end-britains-snack/
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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2019, 07:25:41 am »

It is not a request, but a recommendation in the Chief Medical Officers report on child obesity. One of many, which also include more use of active and sustainable transport, e.g. walking, cycling, trains and buses.

 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/time-to-solve-childhood-obesity-cmo-special-report
or specifically Recommendation 2.3 on p.17
 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/837907/cmo-special-report-childhood-obesity-october-2019.pdf

The Telegraph reaction is much as one would expect from a paper that regularly rants about "nanny state".

But the underlying problem is serious for people's future health and the NHS, and certainly nobody else in government has made any rational suggestions about any sort of solution.

The Telegraph and its like will probably be happy that this will be her last report as CMO.

I would imagine the main concern on this forum would be any effect on food trolleys and buffets!
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2019, 07:31:54 am »


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Eating or drinking on trains and buses should be banned, in a bid to end Britainís ďmindlessĒ snack culture, the countryís Chief Medical Officer has said, in her final report.  

Prof Dame Sally Davies also called for a slew of extra taxes on sugary and unhealthy foods.

Only in the summary at the end does it add that it's urban transport.   Which (noting a post from CyclingSic as I write) leaves the trolley services and pullman restaurants safe.

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At a glance | Prof Dame Sally Davies' review of obesity crisis
Key proposals
Ban eating or drinking anything but plain water on all urban public transport
Extend sugar tax on drinks to cover milkshake and flavoured coffees
Consider new taxes on all unhealthy foods, if action is not taken to cut their sugar content
Alternatively, put snacks in plain packaging, as has happened for cigarettes
Overhaul VAT so all unhealthy fare is consistently covered, and healthy foods exempt
Place a calorie cap on all meals sold in cafes and restaurants
End any advertising or marketing of unhealthy products at sports or concerts
Only sell low calorie food as such events
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2019, 07:36:22 am »

So if Iím going on a long journey I go hungry? That canít be good for health neither?
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2019, 08:13:48 am »

So if Iím going on a long journey I go hungry? That canít be good for health neither?

It says "urban" in the summary so until the UK is all built up ... you should be OK.   Wonderful scope for defining "urban", mind you!
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2019, 08:23:08 am »

If it the standard government geographical definition of urban rural it could be a bit on/off. Urban in Reading then rural then urban in Swindon. The case of the vanishing tea trolley!
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2019, 08:50:25 am »

A restriction to urban transport doesn't seem to be mentioned in either the BBC or the Guardian.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49975720
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/oct/10/childrens-health-england-must-be-put-ahead-of-profits-says-chief-medic

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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2019, 08:53:09 am »

I would imagine the main concern on this forum would be any effect on food trolleys and buffets!
For a certain individual yes. I would imagine when the said person saw the headline his jaw dropped.
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2019, 09:50:15 am »

Never going to happen, just more nonsense headlines in a paper
Can you imagine an uproar say it someone with diabetes was needing to eat and as a result were taken ill!!

Or maybe it is all just a ploy to get rid of the trolleys?
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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2019, 11:03:41 am »

Never going to happen, just more nonsense headlines in a paper
Can you imagine an uproar say it someone with diabetes was needing to eat and as a result were taken ill!!

Or maybe it is all just a ploy to get rid of the trolleys?

The source of all this is one of the ex-CMO's recommendations - going back to the original, we find:
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Principle 2: Allow children to grow up free from marketing, signals and incentives to consume unhealthy food and drinks.

2.1 Review all tax-deductible expenses, including advertising expenses, available for the food and drink industry to ensure that these are aligned with health policies. For example, only allow businesses to claim tax relief for advertising healthy and not unhealthy products.

2.2 Phase out all marketing, advertising and sponsorship of less healthy food and drink products (as defned by the revised Nutrient Profle Modelh) across all mediums including online, at any major public venue or public-funded event and on any public-sector-owned advertising site.

For example, by using data analytics to turn off adverts of unhealthy food and drink for children and families replacing these with positive health messages.

2.3 Prohibit eating and drinking on urban public transport, except fresh water, breastfeeding and for medical conditions.

There is no mention of this in the body of the report, and to my mind it's a huge non-sequitur - something chucked in at the last minute without much thought. Is not forbidding eating on buses really "a signal or an incentive to consume unhealthy food and drinks"? That certainly wants demonstrating.

Having said that, I suspect that such bans exists in a lot of places, here and abroad, but are not enforced (e.g. in bylaws). I do remember it being the case on German S-bahns, for example (but probably better enforced!).
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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2019, 11:59:54 am »

So what lucky group of people are going to police that? Daft thinking...substitute snacks for sale with packets of sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, nuts and coco nibs etc...give them away free to approx. under 12 years or whatever
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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2019, 12:03:46 pm »

I think this whole thing is a non starter. I suspect the well meaning CMO was thinking about snacks on busses and I cant see for a moment how you would define a short distance rail journey. e.g. I am sure an IET Paddington to PZ would not be seen as short distance but what about if the IET trolley sells a snack between ST Germans and Liskeard??
Not worth bothering about IMHO
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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2019, 12:35:35 pm »

BBC Wiltshire had a snippet on the news this morning where they spoke to a Swindon bus driver whose comments were along the lines of "a nice idea, but who is going to enforce it. No sensible bus driver is going to put themselves at risk by trying to enforce it".
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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2019, 02:34:59 pm »

ref BBC Wiltshire show.

I presume that must have been Ben Prater who grew up in Sea Mills(Bristol) and supports Bristol City?
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« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2019, 03:20:53 pm »

No. Mid day news
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