Train Graphic
Great Western Passengers' Forum
.
Great Western Coffee Shop - [home] and [about]
Read about the forum [here].
Register and contribute [here] - it's free.
article index - [here]
 today - First / Half Year Results
today - GWR Customer Panel - Bristol
16/11/2019 - Railfuture Severnside
21/11/2019 - WWRUG / update from GWR
22/11/2019 - TWSW AGM
25/11/2019 - GWR Customer Panel, Plymouth
Random Image
Train Running @GWR Twitter Acronyms/Abbreviations Station Comparator Rail news GWR co. site Site Style 1 2 3 4 Chat on off
Next departures • Bristol Temple MeadsBath SpaChippenhamSwindonDidcot ParkwayReadingLondon PaddingtonMelksham
Exeter St DavidsTauntonWestburyTrowbridgeBristol ParkwayCardiff CentralOxfordCheltenham SpaBirmingham New Street
November 14, 2019, 02:50:13 pm *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Forgotten your username or password? - get a reminder
Most liked recent subjects
[106] Collision between Azuma and HST at Neville Hill, Leeds, 13/11/...
[88] IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent pe...
[71] Spellcheck fail, Penzance
[53] Cotswold Line - 2019 cancellation and amendments log
[48] HS2 - Government proposals, alternative routes and general dis...
[44] Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1....
News: A forum for passengers ... with input from rail professionals welcomed too
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: December changes - all about more and faster journeys to London  (Read 538 times)
grahame
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 27066



View Profile WWW Email
« on: October 13, 2019, 11:11:26 am »

The December timetable change hailed at the Stakeholder event on Friday as the culmination of the GW modernisation plan like turning the key in the ignition and bringing the whole thing to life.  Until now, we have been running "electric trains in diesel timings". What was striking was just how London-centric the timetable changes are, not only in what they are but what they are planned to do.  In that talk, three bullet points one after another I noted:
- case for funding made on faster travel and more seats to London. So the timetable must bring that
- business say that they need faster London transits from places across the west
- more places need to be brought into the practical London commuter belt as the city grows
with no comment about intermediate / regional changes in those objective headlines.

GWR team members including timetabling experts, and some technically informed community members, have worked together to mitigate negative changes on existing regional and local passengers but there will be some.  And looking to those discussions, everyone acknowledged the need, at times, to clear past anomalies and historic provision that benefit a few, but stand in the way of progress. I'm happy to report that after some very serious misgivings some 15 months ago, the balance has been somewhat tipped by fine tunings to be much more in equilibrium. 

From the stakeholder meeting, and in checking timetables for the TransWilts line and drafting content for the next Melksham Train Guide, I have come across a number of things that will effect journeys... here's an idea of some of them across the broad Bristol 'patch'

* Due to a shortage of paths at Bristol Parkway (with the extra "superfasts" going through there), some local services including peak ones from Weston are cut back to Filton Abbey Wood, or to Temple Meads, I believe.  One delegate talked of a significant gap being opened up in the morning peak.

* The 06:56 from Frome is moved 6 minutes earlier, sits longer (13 minutes) at Westbury and now terminates at Filton Abbey Wood at 08:27 rather than Bristol Parkway. (this is the train from Weymouth)

* The 07:12 from Warminster to Salisbury and Southampton now leaves at 07:03 arrives Southampton at 08:08 after a 13 minute timetabled pause at Salisbury.

* TransWilts southbound Monday to Friday services are reduced from 9 to 8 per day, with gaps between trains increased from a two hour
norm during the day to multiple 2.5 hour gaps.  Good news is that the remaining 8 trains are spread slightly wider - last train from swindon is inched back from 20:08 to 20:45 (but, really, there should be a later train if GWR and the government want to encourage Melksham and Trowbridge via Melksham to become commuter towns, as the new early northbound train might suggest)

* Peak gaps in service emerge into Swindon departures from Chippenham previously 08:00, 08:25, 08:45 and 08:56 becomes 08:02, 08:15, 08:56 so gap up from 25 minutes to 41 minutes.  From Bristol Parkway, passengers used to catching the 08:03 will have to travel on the earlier 07:50 or later 08:29.

The examples above are morning ones for the most part... I suspect I could find similar evening changes.

Fare changes are a concern too - with some of the Cotswold line and Berks and Hants concessions that have been in place for decades no longer applicable.  A walkup off peak single at 32.40 is currently valid on the 08:10 from Pewsey to Paddington, where the train arrives at 09:23 - the following train (10:18) not reaching London until 11:21.  From 16th December, the 08:10 leaves at 08:17 but is faster and arrives into London at 09:19. The off peak ticket is no longer available - walk up fare is 60 rather than 32.40 (and I think set to rise further in January).  A new train at 09:30 (London arrival 10:29) is now available at 32.40

People who use the 08:10 Pewsey service from time to time (perhaps a couple of times a week) to get to their offices and have become used to the off-peak fare are less than pleased this can have a severe impact on their budgets.  And especially as they had no trains at all for some 50 days last year because of all the improvements that were coming faster journeys are great, but significant price rises are not something they had been alerted to.

Posting under Bristol Commuters - but really applies to just about all commuters within the swathe of land west of Didcot and east of Exeter! ...
Logged

Coffee Shop Admin, Vice Chair of Melksham Rail User Group, on the board of TravelWatch SouthWest and of RailFuture
DaveHarries
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 105



View Profile
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2019, 11:53:54 pm »

One I have just spotted. The 0605 Frome - London Paddington, arr. 0808, will now depart Frome at 0612hrs to arrive into Paddington at 0801. A comparison of the two dates reveals no changes in calling pattern.

Dave
Logged
Do you have something you would like to add to this thread, or would you like to raise a new question at the Coffee Shop? Please [register] (it is free) if you have not done so before, or login (at the top of this page) if you already have an account - we would love to read what you have to say!

You can find out more about how this forum works [here] - that will link you to a copy of the forum agreement that you can read before you join, and tell you very much more about how we operate. We are an independent forum, provided and run by customers of Great Western Railway, for customers of Great Western Railway and we welcome railway professionals as members too, in either a personal or official capacity. Views expressed in posts are not necessarily the views of the operators of the forum.

As well as posting messages onto existing threads, and starting new subjects, members can communicate with each other through personal messages if they wish. And once members have made a certain number of posts, they will automatically be admitted to the "frequent posters club", where subjects not-for-public-domain are discussed; anything from the occasional rant to meetups we may be having ...

 
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
This forum is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western), and the views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules (email link). Forum hosted by Well House Consultants

Jump to top of pageJump to Forum Home Page