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« Reply #915 on: November 28, 2019, 11:26:47 am »

With all the short termism for the bottom line on buses, I have to wonder at the costs elsewhere in the First group - does it really take 100 people to design a triangle?    Would any of them be capable of driving a bus?

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Avanti West Coast will also have a new logo: an orange triangle. According to the train operators, the triangle was designed by an independent creative team of more than 100 people working in two locations: an old pickle factory in London and a theatre in Amsterdam.

The triangle, First Trenitalia said, symbolised how their train service will bring communities across England, north Wales and Scotland closer together.

I found the industry to be full of things like this. The actual day to day running of buses and planning better corridors for the future didn’t interest the management but networking and contracting fashionable companies they would love to talk about. Modern bus management see the service as a sellable product rather than a reliable form of transport, meaning that the image of buses, mostly directed towards those who don’t and will never use them, is far more important than recovery time for a vehicle. It’s too easy to suggest that traffic holds buses up and that’s to blame, but in reality this was never the main cause of late running in my experience driving them in Reading for 20 years. They generally were not concerned at how it could be improved, having the correctly branded vehicle on the route however was enormously important and occasionally journeys would be missed simply because the available vehicles were the wrong brand. Image led. Of course all this would go out of the window when a lucrative rail replacement job appeared and the old vehicles wheeled out for the town services, again for the benefit of the company’s image to other transport based organisations.
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« Reply #916 on: November 28, 2019, 01:23:20 pm »

That's 100 people in "an independent creative team," ie Avanti WC hired a design company to come up with a logo for them (and a story behind it, and different uses and so on). That company happens to have two offices employing 100 people in London and Amsterdam. So no reflection on First.
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« Reply #917 on: November 28, 2019, 01:51:35 pm »

Fuller details of bus changes in Bristol have now been published.
https://www.firstgroup.com/bristol-bath-and-west/news-and-service-updates/news/first-west-england-announces-january-service
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« Reply #918 on: November 29, 2019, 08:52:50 am »


"Service m2 (Long Ashton - City Centre) will continue to operate every 10 minutes during peak times on weekdays but will run at a slightly reduced frequency of every 20 minutes during off-peak times "

'Slightly reduced'? Halved! Average waiting times doubled! That moves it from within what is generally considered to be a turn up and go service to one where you have to consider the timetable.
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« Reply #919 on: November 29, 2019, 12:38:14 pm »


"Service m2 (Long Ashton - City Centre) will continue to operate every 10 minutes during peak times on weekdays but will run at a slightly reduced frequency of every 20 minutes during off-peak times "

'Slightly reduced'? Halved! Average waiting times doubled! That moves it from within what is generally considered to be a turn up and go service to one where you have to consider the timetable.

Clever isn’t it?
 This is what the managers do best, wording things to sound positive. You’ll find many buses in Reading with ‘every xx minutes’ written on the side. Look a bit closer and written in smaller writing before it will be ‘up to’. Check a timetable and you will find that the frequencies vary wildly to suit the operator. Reading’s ‘flagship’ route 17, the only remaining crosstown route established as a tram then trolleybus route, has an ‘every 7 minutes’ poster instead of a timetable and it’s generally believed that this is true. However driving it, it’s clear that only a couple of hours in the middle of the day is this true, with 12 minute gaps at some points. Other routes quoted frequencies are only true in the middle of the day and the frequency is reduced at peak time so an extra vehicle doesn’t have to be added to the cycle, this has occurred since the route branding and run cards were unable to do multiple routes, a disadvantage of branded vehicles, so a 15 minute quoted frequency can end up being a 24 minute one.

The Bristol metrobus is the proof needed that we cannot manage bus rapid transit in our towns and cities mostly built pre world war 2. For serious change in people’s habits on moving around urban areas, the mode needs to change and at least have a fixed path, even in places where it shares space with regular traffic. Clever marketing lies do not get people to change habits.
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« Reply #920 on: November 29, 2019, 02:55:00 pm »

This is what the managers do best, wording things to sound positive. You’ll find many buses in Reading with ‘every xx minutes’ written on the side. Look a bit closer and written in smaller writing before it will be ‘up to’. Check a timetable and you will find that the frequencies vary wildly to suit the operator.

It won’t be long before GWR follows suit:

From December trains every 17 minutes from Melksham*

* The gap between the 15:16 to Swindon and the 15:33 to Westbury on Saturdays.
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« Reply #921 on: November 29, 2019, 08:02:32 pm »

Further to my previous post on this thread they must really bestruggling to get pax on the m3 off peak, new fare to be introduced off peak, £5 for 5 pax single fare traveling together I understand.
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« Reply #922 on: November 30, 2019, 05:15:44 pm »

New Metrobus vehicles to be named all begining with a G, so far names reported are Gonzalez, Gandulf, Ginny and Gabrielle.
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« Reply #923 on: November 30, 2019, 05:31:56 pm »

Seen a report claiming from next April m2 will run on Sundays. Does this mean that BCC have finally pulled their finger out and agreed with the neighbouring parish council or is there a caveat only until the Portishead line is reopened, well that sorts that out for the next 30 years at least.
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« Reply #924 on: December 01, 2019, 10:56:45 am »

Seen piccy of one of the new gas fuelled vehicles to be used on the 42 route, colour all over red not dissimilar to the red used on the LA P&R when previously operated by First. Also no window on the staircase or the double exit doors contrary to the spin put out by the LA when the bus order was announced.
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« Reply #925 on: December 01, 2019, 11:06:42 am »


"Service m2 (Long Ashton - City Centre) will continue to operate every 10 minutes during peak times on weekdays but will run at a slightly reduced frequency of every 20 minutes during off-peak times "

'Slightly reduced'? Halved! Average waiting times doubled! That moves it from within what is generally considered to be a turn up and go service to one where you have to consider the timetable.
That's a P&R service isn't it? That makes it even more inconvenient.  Every 10 mins it doesn't matter if you're slightly delayed by traffic and miss the bus, but if you have to wait 20 mins for the next one, that's a real pain.  So now when setting off people have to leave much more margin for error, which increases their journey time.  Or they just don't bother and decide to drive in and pay for parking instead.
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